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    Supremacist Gets 26 to Life in Killing of Molester

    --News story picked off reddit.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/s...3#.UYYrNbX-HMF

    A Northern California white supremacist convicted of killing a child molester has been sentenced to 26 years to life in prison, while his wife — convicted of being an accessory — will be released from jail in about two months,
    Charles Francis Gaskins, 48, was sentenced Friday after pleading no contest in March for the killing of Neil Hayes in 2009. A probation report said Gaskins was a member of a supremacist group that required its members to attack anyone with a history of child molestation.

    Gaskins and his wife — Sandra Sheaves — was living in a home she owned in Carmichael, a community outside of Sacramento, when they allowed the 66-year-old Hayes to move in. Gaskins had met Hayes while they were both serving time in prison, The Bee said.

    When Sheaves discovered on the Megan's Law website that Hayes was a registered sex offender, she told Gaskins.

    Gaskins and Sheaves confronted Hayes in the garage of the home, with Gaskins killing him by repeatedly hitting him in the head with a large rock, prosecutors said.

    Hayes' body was later found dumped along the side of a rural road about 35 miles away in Placerville.

    As part of his no-contest plea, Gaskins insisted authorities go easy on Sheaves, who also was charged with Hayes' murder.

    Prosecutors agreed, allowing her to plead no contest to accessory to murder. Sheaves, 43, was sentenced to eight years in prison.

    "In a way, you almost instigated this, by showing the information from Megan's Law to Mr. Gaskins," Sacramento Superior Court Judge Sharon Lueras said in sentencing Sheaves.

    With time served and other factors, Sheaves is expected to be released in 66 days, according to her attorney, James Warden.
    Since white supremacists are in the news today, with the piss-throwing thread on May Day, i thought this thread can also fit here.

    Anyway, my thoughts on the matter:
    For society, this is a win-win, generally speaking. One child molester less on the streets, one person with a blatantly false and easily disproved mentality in prison.

    As for the law. Well, look, this is vigilantism. Now I oppose the death penalty because I don't think that the govt has the right to sentence its own people to death except in the case of treason and high treason. Do I think this child molester deserved to die? Maybe, I really don't know that much about him. If he were a repeat offender, the balance would tip further and further in the area where I think he would deserve to be dead. But again, not at the hands of the govt.

    Anyway. This story isn't that suprising since it is pretty well known that white supremacist groups are quite active at being vigilantes against these kind of people (molesters, rapists, etc) and against other kinds of people... maybe not murder all the time, but certainly violence.
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    Re: Supremacist Gets 26 to Life in Killing of Molester

    Sounds like a strategy by white supremacists to gain the sympathies of the general population by targeting a group that most of society hates. Given that most of society also hates overt white supremacy as well, their strategy probably isn't going to work.

    In any case, this is why sex offender registries should not be public. The public is not responsible enough to handle them.

    I'm also curious to know whether the man he killed was actually a child molester. The paper reports that he found out that he was a registered sex offender, but that could mean a variety of things. It seems like the supremacist and the paper are just assuming that the victim was a child molester.

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    Re: Supremacist Gets 26 to Life in Killing of Molester

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Sounds like a strategy by white supremacists to gain the sympathies of the general population by targeting a group that most of society hates. Given that most of society also hates overt white supremacy as well, their strategy probably isn't going to work.

    In any case, this is why sex offender registries should not be public. The public is not responsible enough to handle them.

    I'm also curious to know whether the man he killed was actually a child molester. The paper reports that he found out that he was a registered sex offender, but that could mean a variety of things. It seems like the supremacist and the paper are just assuming that the victim was a child molester.
    when I looked at the list for my state it tells you what the underlying conviction was like rape, forcible sodomy, taking indecent liberties with a minor under the age of X, etc.

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    Re: Supremacist Gets 26 to Life in Killing of Molester

    "In a way, you almost instigated this, by showing the information from Megan's Law to Mr. Gaskins," Sacramento Superior Court Judge Sharon Lueras said in sentencing Sheaves.
    Then how is the not State not equally at fault in making that information available in the first place?

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    Re: Supremacist Gets 26 to Life in Killing of Molester

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Then how is the not State not equally at fault in making that information available in the first place?
    Good point. The information is publically-available...at the behest of the State itself.

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    Supremacist Gets 26 to Life in Killing of Molester

    Win win. Keep up the Megan's law though. Schools need it and parents need it. You don't want to get beaten to death by a white supremacist, don't be a sex offender.
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    Re: Supremacist Gets 26 to Life in Killing of Molester

    There is a difference between a public record like a conviction being available and requiring the person to always tell people exactly where they live IMO.

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    Re: Supremacist Gets 26 to Life in Killing of Molester

    These white supremest types tend to be a violent bunch and the rule that they kill child molesters is just a way to channel their violence in what they hope will garner them some public support or at least sympathy.

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    Re: Supremacist Gets 26 to Life in Killing of Molester

    It won't work. I found "A probation report said Gaskins was a member of a supremacist group that required its members to attack anyone with a history of child molestation" chilling. How different is this than what some gangs require? (They have their reasons too.)

    Someone with the mentality of a supremacist anything has already demonstrated to me that his/her perceptions of the world and therefore judgments are suspect. What really went on in that garage?

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    Re: Supremacist Gets 26 to Life in Killing of Molester

    vigilantism is bad for society. most of us wouldn't allow our neighbor to singlehandedly choose our representative. why, then, would we trust them as sole judge, jury, and executioner?

    as for the fact he was a sex offender, my guess is that if sex offenders keep getting offed as a result of online databases, eventually the databases are going to be taken down or seriously restricted. while we could argue whether that's a net loss or gain, some parents find it a useful tool. every vigilante murder is a step closer to those parents losing that tool.

    finally, white supremacists hate children molesters? neat. so does everybody else. white supremacists are still scumbags. they are not useful to society until they completely reject their racist views.

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