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Supremacist Gets 26 to Life in Killing of Molester

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--News story picked off reddit.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/supremacist-26-life-killing-molester-19110293#.UYYrNbX-HMF

A Northern California white supremacist convicted of killing a child molester has been sentenced to 26 years to life in prison, while his wife — convicted of being an accessory — will be released from jail in about two months,
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Charles Francis Gaskins, 48, was sentenced Friday after pleading no contest in March for the killing of Neil Hayes in 2009. A probation report said Gaskins was a member of a supremacist group that required its members to attack anyone with a history of child molestation.

Gaskins and his wife — Sandra Sheaves — was living in a home she owned in Carmichael, a community outside of Sacramento, when they allowed the 66-year-old Hayes to move in. Gaskins had met Hayes while they were both serving time in prison, The Bee said.

When Sheaves discovered on the Megan's Law website that Hayes was a registered sex offender, she told Gaskins.

Gaskins and Sheaves confronted Hayes in the garage of the home, with Gaskins killing him by repeatedly hitting him in the head with a large rock, prosecutors said.

Hayes' body was later found dumped along the side of a rural road about 35 miles away in Placerville.

As part of his no-contest plea, Gaskins insisted authorities go easy on Sheaves, who also was charged with Hayes' murder.

Prosecutors agreed, allowing her to plead no contest to accessory to murder. Sheaves, 43, was sentenced to eight years in prison.

"In a way, you almost instigated this, by showing the information from Megan's Law to Mr. Gaskins," Sacramento Superior Court Judge Sharon Lueras said in sentencing Sheaves.

With time served and other factors, Sheaves is expected to be released in 66 days, according to her attorney, James Warden.
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Since white supremacists are in the news today, with the piss-throwing thread on May Day, i thought this thread can also fit here.

Anyway, my thoughts on the matter:
For society, this is a win-win, generally speaking. One child molester less on the streets, one person with a blatantly false and easily disproved mentality in prison.

As for the law. Well, look, this is vigilantism. Now I oppose the death penalty because I don't think that the govt has the right to sentence its own people to death except in the case of treason and high treason. Do I think this child molester deserved to die? Maybe, I really don't know that much about him. If he were a repeat offender, the balance would tip further and further in the area where I think he would deserve to be dead. But again, not at the hands of the govt.

Anyway. This story isn't that suprising since it is pretty well known that white supremacist groups are quite active at being vigilantes against these kind of people (molesters, rapists, etc) and against other kinds of people... maybe not murder all the time, but certainly violence.
 
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Sounds like a strategy by white supremacists to gain the sympathies of the general population by targeting a group that most of society hates. Given that most of society also hates overt white supremacy as well, their strategy probably isn't going to work.

In any case, this is why sex offender registries should not be public. The public is not responsible enough to handle them.

I'm also curious to know whether the man he killed was actually a child molester. The paper reports that he found out that he was a registered sex offender, but that could mean a variety of things. It seems like the supremacist and the paper are just assuming that the victim was a child molester.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Sounds like a strategy by white supremacists to gain the sympathies of the general population by targeting a group that most of society hates. Given that most of society also hates overt white supremacy as well, their strategy probably isn't going to work.

In any case, this is why sex offender registries should not be public. The public is not responsible enough to handle them.

I'm also curious to know whether the man he killed was actually a child molester. The paper reports that he found out that he was a registered sex offender, but that could mean a variety of things. It seems like the supremacist and the paper are just assuming that the victim was a child molester.
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when I looked at the list for my state it tells you what the underlying conviction was like rape, forcible sodomy, taking indecent liberties with a minor under the age of X, etc.
 
"In a way, you almost instigated this, by showing the information from Megan's Law to Mr. Gaskins," Sacramento Superior Court Judge Sharon Lueras said in sentencing Sheaves.
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Then how is the not State not equally at fault in making that information available in the first place?
 
Sarcogito said:
Then how is the not State not equally at fault in making that information available in the first place?
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Good point. The information is publically-available...at the behest of the State itself.
 
Win win. Keep up the Megan's law though. Schools need it and parents need it. You don't want to get beaten to death by a white supremacist, don't be a sex offender.
 
There is a difference between a public record like a conviction being available and requiring the person to always tell people exactly where they live IMO.
 
These white supremest types tend to be a violent bunch and the rule that they kill child molesters is just a way to channel their violence in what they hope will garner them some public support or at least sympathy.
 
It won't work. I found "A probation report said Gaskins was a member of a supremacist group that required its members to attack anyone with a history of child molestation" chilling. How different is this than what some gangs require? (They have their reasons too.)

Someone with the mentality of a supremacist anything has already demonstrated to me that his/her perceptions of the world and therefore judgments are suspect. What really went on in that garage?
 
vigilantism is bad for society. most of us wouldn't allow our neighbor to singlehandedly choose our representative. why, then, would we trust them as sole judge, jury, and executioner?

as for the fact he was a sex offender, my guess is that if sex offenders keep getting offed as a result of online databases, eventually the databases are going to be taken down or seriously restricted. while we could argue whether that's a net loss or gain, some parents find it a useful tool. every vigilante murder is a step closer to those parents losing that tool.

finally, white supremacists hate children molesters? neat. so does everybody else. white supremacists are still scumbags. they are not useful to society until they completely reject their racist views.
 
Fisher said:
when I looked at the list for my state it tells you what the underlying conviction was like rape, forcible sodomy, taking indecent liberties with a minor under the age of X, etc.
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Even with those labels, the true nature of the offense can't necessarily be discerned. "Aggravated sexual assault against a minor" could mean an 18 year old having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend, but someone might interpret it as child molestation incorrectly.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Sounds like a strategy by white supremacists to gain the sympathies of the general population by targeting a group that most of society hates. .
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That's fairly simplistic. It's more likely they have a set of convictions and are prepared to act beyond the law. It's not like child molesters do well around any group, their outcome is in fact worse around criminals.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Sounds like a strategy by white supremacists to gain the sympathies of the general population by targeting a group that most of society hates. Given that most of society also hates overt white supremacy as well, their strategy probably isn't going to work.

In any case, this is why sex offender registries should not be public. The public is not responsible enough to handle them.

I'm also curious to know whether the man he killed was actually a child molester. The paper reports that he found out that he was a registered sex offender, but that could mean a variety of things. It seems like the supremacist and the paper are just assuming that the victim was a child molester.
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I don't think murder is going to make racists look better in anyone's eyes.
 
Seems like a conflation of issues. What does being a white supremacist have to do with the killing of a child molester? (The loosely tied in "It's their M.O."?)Just thrown in there for the hell of it? Rather interesting considering the "Flash mobs" that happen in Chicago, and the press reporting it specifically leaving the color of the perps out of it as they claim it is irrelevant to the story.

Interesting indeed..
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Even with those labels, the true nature of the offense can't necessarily be discerned. "Aggravated sexual assault against a minor" could mean an 18 year old having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend, but someone might interpret it as child molestation incorrectly.
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No, aggravated sexual assault requires some forcible, unwanted contact that actually causes injury.
 
Ben K. said:
That's fairly simplistic. It's more likely they have a set of convictions and are prepared to act beyond the law. It's not like child molesters do well around any group, their outcome is in fact worse around criminals.
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Eh, I would say that my hypothesis is (at least) as likely as yours. White supremacists, particularly in the modern day, are known for coming up with ways to ingratiate themselves with mainstream white America. Given that mainstream white America tends to hate and fear child molesters, it wouldn't surprise me if a white supremacist group used killing child molesters as a way of trying to get regular white Americans to support them. It's the same sort of the logic that the mob, gangs and similar groups have used in the past to earn the trust of a community in hopes of manipulating it.
 
Deuce said:
I don't think murder is going to make racists look better in anyone's eyes.
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I agree. That's why I said, "Given that most of society also hates overt white supremacy as well, their strategy probably isn't going to work."
 
My curiosity makes me ask - by what description is this pair "white supremacists"? Please give details?
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I agree. That's why I said, "Given that most of society also hates overt white supremacy as well, their strategy probably isn't going to work."
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Yes, but I don't think this is their strategy because nobody is that stupid. Plus, there's no reason to expect this is part of some conspiracy. Angry, violent man did an angry, violent thing. His group apparently had some was one of angry, violent people who do angry, violent things. I don't think they do it to impress you or me.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Sounds like a strategy by white supremacists to gain the sympathies of the general population by targeting a group that most of society hates. Given that most of society also hates overt white supremacy as well, their strategy probably isn't going to work.
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I don't believe so. It's consistent with their beliefs, especially molestors, rapists that target white children.
 
Rainman05 said:
--News story picked off reddit.

Supremacist Gets 26 to Life in Killing of Molester - ABC News





Since white supremacists are in the news today, with the piss-throwing thread on May Day, i thought this thread can also fit here.

Anyway, my thoughts on the matter:
For society, this is a win-win, generally speaking. One child molester less on the streets, one person with a blatantly false and easily disproved mentality in prison.

As for the law. Well, look, this is vigilantism. Now I oppose the death penalty because I don't think that the govt has the right to sentence its own people to death except in the case of treason and high treason. Do I think this child molester deserved to die? Maybe, I really don't know that much about him. If he were a repeat offender, the balance would tip further and further in the area where I think he would deserve to be dead. But again, not at the hands of the govt.

Anyway. This story isn't that suprising since it is pretty well known that white supremacist groups are quite active at being vigilantes against these kind of people (molesters, rapists, etc) and against other kinds of people... maybe not murder all the time, but certainly violence.
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I tend to agree with you. Child molesters should be killed, one thing about the death penalty, it may or may not deter, but it does make sure there will be repeat offenders. As for the white supremacist, he is where he belongs. Yep, a win, win situation for sure.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Even with those labels, the true nature of the offense can't necessarily be discerned. "Aggravated sexual assault against a minor" could mean an 18 year old having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend, but someone might interpret it as child molestation incorrectly.
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Well I don't know where you live but "aggravated sexual assault" is not an 18 year old bedding a 16 year old consensually in my corner of the woods. .
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Eh, I would say that my hypothesis is (at least) as likely as yours. White supremacists, particularly in the modern day, are known for coming up with ways to ingratiate themselves with mainstream white America. Given that mainstream white America tends to hate and fear child molesters, it wouldn't surprise me if a white supremacist group used killing child molesters as a way of trying to get regular white Americans to support them. It's the same sort of the logic that the mob, gangs and similar groups have used in the past to earn the trust of a community in hopes of manipulating it.
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White supremists recruit based on hate. Let us say you are a white family or friend of someone who was molested, or a victim of molestation and you have a group telling you it is OK to attack the people who do that. You might actually listen to what they say. They might seem like an understanding group while the rest of the world tells you to just put up with it. It ends up being a recruitment tactic because the group wants people blinded by rage and anger.

In the end society is pretty much feeding the names of molesters out there for one main reason, and that is the hopes they can lure out a violent criminal by giving them a acceptable target. As people in this thread have already said one child molester down and one violent white supremacist gone. It is not going to go away because most people do not think it effects them because they are not going to end up being confused with a child molester. People will start caring more when some white supremacist hears your name in a bar and looks it up in some online database from their Iphone and assumes you are the same person as the molester who shares your name and then beats you to a bloody pulp by mistake. Then someone will care. Or maybe some molester will share a name with Steve Ducey and fox will get involved with it. Oh wait, that will never happen, even child molesters wouldn't associate themselves with steve ducey.
 
Deuce said:
Yes, but I don't think this is their strategy because nobody is that stupid.
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Actually, some people are that stupid and it isn't necessarily stupid because gangs have done things like that in the past and it worked.
 
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