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    Re: Florida Restores Early Voting Days, Moves Back Primary.....

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    I'm not sure how this is relevant to early voting. I want to give people greater opportunity to vote. Attack ads might turn some off, but that's still a choice they get to make. I don't think a busy schedule should make that decision for them.
    I was addressing the participation issue which is apart of early voting since early voting was installed to increase participation which apparently it hasn't. Perhaps early voting means nothing if you end up with the same participation percentage as you had without it. If as you said, you think early voting has at least limit the decline of those who do not vote or at least held it steady. It seems as if more and more people either do not care who wins or they have decided it makes no difference.

    I still would like to know what you think about the negative attack ads, could it be even with early voting, these ads are keeping the percentage the same or adding to those who do not care and do not vote?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Florida Restores Early Voting Days, Moves Back Primary.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I was addressing the participation issue which is apart of early voting since early voting was installed to increase participation which apparently it hasn't. Perhaps early voting means nothing if you end up with the same participation percentage as you had without it. If as you said, you think early voting has at least limit the decline of those who do not vote or at least held it steady. It seems as if more and more people either do not care who wins or they have decided it makes no difference.

    I still would like to know what you think about the negative attack ads, could it be even with early voting, these ads are keeping the percentage the same or adding to those who do not care and do not vote?
    As much as everyone whines about negative ads, I don't think both parties would utilize them so severely if they didn't work. They've got oodles of people whose job it is to figure out what ads are effective and what ads aren't. You might see a negative ad from your own side and be disgusted at the moment, and that ad might even be a straight-up lie. (hell, most of them probably are) But you wont remember that. Someone links you a fact-check, debunks the ad, you read it. But it doesn't stick. A month later, all you remember is the attack, it rolls around in the back of your head and stays there because it's an attack against someone you disagree with.

    Negative ads are also not something you can really do anything about. Ban negative ads? Who gets to decide what counts as negative?
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    Re: Florida Restores Early Voting Days, Moves Back Primary.....

    Do they lower participation? I don't know. If so, they must lower participation more or less uniformly. Elections are always pretty close. It would be interesting to see how voter turnout among "independent" or "undecided" voters has gone. Although I think that's hard to judge. There are a lot of so-called independents who are really just Democrats or Republicans who want to sound more moderate or impartial than they are, or who are fed up with their own party but will end up voting for them anyway. We saw a lot of this in 2008. Republicans were really unhappy with the GOP, and many began calling themselves independents... and then obviously voted McCain anyway.
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    Re: Florida Restores Early Voting Days, Moves Back Primary.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    As much as everyone whines about negative ads, I don't think both parties would utilize them so severely if they didn't work. They've got oodles of people whose job it is to figure out what ads are effective and what ads aren't. You might see a negative ad from your own side and be disgusted at the moment, and that ad might even be a straight-up lie. (hell, most of them probably are) But you wont remember that. Someone links you a fact-check, debunks the ad, you read it. But it doesn't stick. A month later, all you remember is the attack, it rolls around in the back of your head and stays there because it's an attack against someone you disagree with.

    Negative ads are also not something you can really do anything about. Ban negative ads? Who gets to decide what counts as negative?

    Do they lower participation? I don't know. If so, they must lower participation more or less uniformly. Elections are always pretty close. It would be interesting to see how voter turnout among "independent" or "undecided" voters has gone. Although I think that's hard to judge. There are a lot of so-called independents who are really just Democrats or Republicans who want to sound more moderate or impartial than they are, or who are fed up with their own party but will end up voting for them anyway. We saw a lot of this in 2008. Republicans were really unhappy with the GOP, and many began calling themselves independents... and then obviously voted McCain anyway.
    I am not worry about whom these people would have voted for. That is irrelevant. You are right, they do work or else parties wouldn't spend millions of dollars on them. It may be the reason voter participation continues to fall is people have just given up on the system and know that regardless of who wins, they will still be getting screwed.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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