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    Re: Florida Restores Early Voting Days, Moves Back Primary.....

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : Back then, when it was voting day, you went to vote...period. I can understand that business travel, vacation plans, surgeries, etc are not made, or changed, because it might interfere with going to vote, and that's probably why absentee voting was permitted in the first place. But now, people in my State can vote weeks ahead of the actual voting day by using the absentee ballot. It's almost as if voting has become something only to be done at one's convenience. And even with that, many people do not even bother to vote. And I have also heard all the excuses why not. Odd....
    Actually I think we are better off by not having the people who do not vote, not voting. Also when something can be done at one's convenience if one is to do it, it really must not be all that important then. You are correct on the absentee ballot.
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    Re: Florida Restores Early Voting Days, Moves Back Primary.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I donít know if youíre funning me or not with your 24/7 all of November voting? There are valid reason I have heard from those who do not vote, here are just a few.
    1. Jury duty Ė here in Georgia jurist are chosen from the voter rolls. Donít register and you do not have to be on a jury.
    2. It doesnít matter who wins, I get screwed anyway.
    3. Both candidates are idiots and donít know their head from a hole in the ground
    4. No matter who wins, they just take care of themselves.
    5. I donít have a million bucks to give them. I donít count.
    6. No matter who wins, nothing never changes.
    7. Whoís running?
    8. Did you see those political ads? Both candidates are scumbags and donít deserve my vote.

    These are but a few of the reasons I have heard over time. Outside of number one, most of the reasons I have heard are pure dissatisfaction with Washington and with politics in general. Making it mandatory for all people to vote, approximately half would be the ones with the excuses I mentioned above and donít give a care who wins. They would just punch their ballot and probably not even pay any attention to the names on it.

    Then there are voters like my wife, who vote in ever election. Last year she voted for the candidate she thought looked more presidential. She didnít have a clue which party he belonged to or where they stood on any of the issues.

    I suppose my point is to go back to the one single voting day, the first Tuesday in November and let the folks vote who really want to vote. Who are think voting is so important they will go out of their way to vote if necessary. Then we might elect less idiots to congress. As I pointed out in my last post, when voting was conducted only one single day did this nation have over 60% of all eligible voters vote.
    Yes, those are all valid arguments against mandatory voting. I myself am not convinced it's a great idea, I just ponder it sometimes.

    But none of what you've mentioned is an argument for restricting voting to a single day. Those who want to vote should have it made easier, not harder. Greater participation in the democratic process is a good thing.
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    Re: Florida Restores Early Voting Days, Moves Back Primary.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, those are all valid arguments against mandatory voting. I myself am not convinced it's a great idea, I just ponder it sometimes.

    But none of what you've mentioned is an argument for restricting voting to a single day. Those who want to vote should have it made easier, not harder. Greater participation in the democratic process is a good thing.
    yes, I agree on greater participation. It might be the age factor with me. I seen done in a single day for so long, it just doesn't seem right to spread it over so many days. That sort of seems un-American and I do not mean that in a derogatory way. I mean we have election day, not election days or election weeks or as is the case in Ohio, perhaps election months. Just chalk this up to an old coot that is set in his ways and routines and by dat gum, don't make me take my morning dump in the afternoon.

    But as I stated before, I do not think this early voting has increased participation one iota. Here are the averages voter particpation by decades.

    1960's 62%
    1970's 54%
    1980's 52%
    1990's 52%
    2000's 54%

    I don't have any stats pre 1960 and I don't know when early voting began.
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    Re: Florida Restores Early Voting Days, Moves Back Primary.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    There is no such thing as an honest election. Until gerrymandering is done away with, voter suppression and voter fraud are the least of the worries to an honest election. Gerrymandering is nothing more than jury rigging an election before the first vote is cast.
    For Congress yes. For President no. The popular vote in the entire state is used, so gerrymandering has no effect. But yes, you are right. Gerrymandering has been used since the founding of our nation to rig the makeup of Congress, and has become an institution (NOTE: which is where some of our Congresscritters belong ). That's why red states are so red, and blue states are so blue. LOL.
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    Re: Florida Restores Early Voting Days, Moves Back Primary.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    See....republicans are all about allowing people to vote. Glad they finally beat back the democratic disenfranchisement efforts in that state.
    LOL Scott is up for reelection next year and his polls are horrible. You don't suppose that could be the reason?
    Republicans in other States are still passing laws to restrict legal voters.

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    Re: Florida Restores Early Voting Days, Moves Back Primary.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Actually I think we are better off by not having the people who do not vote, not voting. Also when something can be done at one's convenience if one is to do it, it really must not be all that important then. You are correct on the absentee ballot.
    So making voting "inconvenient" is how a Democracy should work? You obviously don't want the will of the people to be heard because you are afraid of what I that will is.
    You need to find a dictatorship to live in.

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    Re: Florida Restores Early Voting Days, Moves Back Primary.....

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL Scott is up for reelection next year and his polls are horrible. You don't suppose that could be the reason?
    Republicans in other States are still passing laws to restrict legal voters.
    IDK. I don't follow FL politics. I have no idea who put all those amendments on the ballot. From what I have heard though makes me think FL is just too damn cheap to have local elections different from state/federal elections so it all gets crammed down their throats at once. I am not sure that is the smartest way to do it.

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    Re: Florida Restores Early Voting Days, Moves Back Primary.....

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    For Congress yes. For President no. The popular vote in the entire state is used, so gerrymandering has no effect. But yes, you are right. Gerrymandering has been used since the founding of our nation to rig the makeup of Congress, and has become an institution (NOTE: which is where some of our Congresscritters belong ). That's why red states are so red, and blue states are so blue. LOL.
    Yeah, that darn Elbidge Gerry who invented gerrymandering way back in 1812. Been with us ever since. yep, the true vote means little.
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    Re: Florida Restores Early Voting Days, Moves Back Primary.....

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So making voting "inconvenient" is how a Democracy should work? You obviously don't want the will of the people to be heard because you are afraid of what I that will is.
    You need to find a dictatorship to live in.
    Is actually going back to voting in a single day really making it inconvenient? There was actually higher participation when voting was done this way. I posted the stats earlier. Since early began, the percentage of participation has actually declined.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Florida Restores Early Voting Days, Moves Back Primary.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yeah, that darn Elbidge Gerry who invented gerrymandering way back in 1812. Been with us ever since. yep, the true vote means little.
    Until states like Pennsylvania go back to the CD method, which was prevalent before the 10th amendment's war.

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