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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Assuming you mean spiritual to be things of the mind, emotions, and feelings, that's fine. Reason encompasses these things as well as cold logic. But prayer is asking magic people to do favors for you.
    Some equate Prayer as to meditation.....hence your Buddhists and Vedantists.

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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    By what right does the athiest judge the religious? By what right!

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    Errr...sorry, I'm liable to get my head chopped off if I don't get out of this thread. It's ripe for trolling, the seed is strong.

    But really...I have no issue with him pushing for a "national day of reason". I don't particularly have any desire for it nor see a significant need for it, but if he feels his constituents want him spending his time arguing for it more power to him. ::

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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    No, no it isn't. Its making yourself feel like you're helping when really doing nothing.
    That is completely reasonable if you never intended to do anything in the first place and are just trying to make yourself feel better. Of course some of us just masturbate and go on with life, but when your invisible ruler is watching you in case you pleasure yourself to damn you to hell for all eternity i guess you have to pleasure yourself somehow. There is a lot of reason in there, just not good reason. Perhaps the day of reason should be more specific to be the day of good reason.

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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Some equate Prayer as to meditation.....hence your Buddhists and Vedantists.
    Some might do that, but they're fundamentally different actions. Prayer is focused on the external, appealing to outside forces, like gods or spirits. Meditation is focused inward, finding strength and peace in the meditator, instead of from somewhere else. Equating them would be incorrect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    By what right does the athiest judge the religious? By what right!

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    Errr...sorry, I'm liable to get my head chopped off if I don't get out of this thread. It's ripe for trolling, the seed is strong.

    But really...I have no issue with him pushing for a "national day of reason". I don't particularly have any desire for it nor see a significant need for it, but if he feels his constituents want him spending his time arguing for it more power to him. ::
    Hear me reason! What animal would be the sigil of House Atheist? A Galapagos tortoise?
    Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.

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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And what would a "national day of reason" do? Have all the armchair intellectuals typing away on how the religious are morons and their enlightened state is saving the nation by sitting away and attacking people of faith?
    That makes a little more sense than a bunch of rednecks shouting down science based on a book they were to illiterate to read. At least the armchair intellectuals have the ability to properly understand religion to criticize it. One certainly cannot say the same for religious people having the ability to understand science no matter what prometheus told you.
    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Prayer is more than just praying for God to intervene in the nation, it's also about seeking wisdom as to how we need to lead the nation and for our leaders. Even if you don't believe in God or think prayer is worthless it does get people focused and thinking about what is wrong in America or being concerned about the nation's well being.
    Prayer doesn't do any of that. Prayer is begging from god. It is not doing it yourself, it is asking something else to do it for you and hoping that things just fall into your lap. That is not taking personal responsibility or doing something. That is not even putting effort into begging. At least the guy on the street corner begging for your change actually has to ask a real person for money. Prayer is when you sit in your underwear in your bead and ask an imaginary being you hope is out there for something. Could you do any less? That is not a rhetorical question either, how could you possibly make any less effort to get something than prayer?

    What is even better is though it does get people focused on what is wrong it leads people down the wrong path. So any effort they do spend is often making things worse off because of the idiocy inserted into the system when you start to have your imaginary friends fight for right and wrong. So not only are you doing the least amount possible, all of your real efforts to change things end up leading you the wrong way.

    This is why we need the rest of the year to be the time of reason over prayer.

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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    I honestly don't care. There is dozens of fights that need to be had and this is issue is not even on the map. Calling for anything be it a day of prayer or a day of reason is stupid and the government should not be doing either, but really, who cares?

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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    By what right does the athiest judge the religious? By what right!
    By the same right a parent has for telling their 5 year old to stop playing with their imaginary friend and to make some real ones? AKA good reason.

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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Hear me reason! What animal would be the sigil of House Atheist? A Galapagos tortoise?
    Would a human be too reasonable for reason?

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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I honestly don't care. There is dozens of fights that need to be had and this is issue is not even on the map. Calling for anything be it a day of prayer or a day of reason is stupid and the government should not be doing either, but really, who cares?
    It is a divisive argument that doesn't solve any actual problems, but takes a lot of effort. In other words an ideal cause for congress.

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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    No, no it isn't. Its making yourself feel like you're helping when really doing nothing.
    ^^ This.

    Your fellow human being is in peril, so instead of actually doing something to help him, you tell him you'll pray for him and keep minding your own business.

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