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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    No, no it isn't. Its making yourself feel like you're helping when really doing nothing.
    And what would a "national day of reason" do? Have all the armchair intellectuals typing away on how the religious are morons and their enlightened state is saving the nation by sitting away and attacking people of faith?

    Prayer is more than just praying for God to intervene in the nation, it's also about seeking wisdom as to how we need to lead the nation and for our leaders. Even if you don't believe in God or think prayer is worthless it does get people focused and thinking about what is wrong in America or being concerned about the nation's well being.
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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Reason is certainly more worthy of celebration than prayer. But every day should be a day of reason, not just one.
    I think that's where the Buddhist says that Reason is but of the Physical and the Mind. To be one.....one must encompass both that which is physical and that which is spiritual. Then again it may have been a Shaolin Priest.

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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    And what would a "national day of reason" do?
    Nothing, that should be EVERY day.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Have all the armchair intellectuals typing away on how the religious are morons and their enlightened state is saving the nation by sitting away and attacking people of faith?

    Prayer is more than just praying for God to intervene in the nation, it's also about seeking wisdom as to how we need to lead the nation and for our leaders. Even if you don't believe in God or think prayer is worthless it does get people focused and thinking about what is wrong in America or being concerned about the nation's well being.
    None of this explains how faith is reasonable. There is nothing logical or rational about it. Sorry if you take that as an "attack."
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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    The weird thing to me is in assuming that there is by definition a dichotomy between faith and reason.
    Are you serious?

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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    I think, Digsbe, that we might even be able to refer to prayer as "focused thinking." What is reasoning if not contemplative?

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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    None of this explains how faith is reasonable. There is nothing logical or rational about it.
    It also ain't hurting nobody, so I don't really see a need to get up in arms over this when there are many other issues to be up in arms over. If this were truly the biggest concern in our lives, we'd be living the High Life. A National Day of Prayer? Fine, most people are religious and they ain't gonna force me to pray or fine me for not praying or whatever. If they ain't messing with me, I see no reason to mess with them.

    Of course if I were in charge I would have an official 365 days of "Minding your own business". Once every 4 years you can have a day to be in other people's business. Hehehe.
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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    Could we say that his slogan for pushing the day would be "Reason is Coming"?

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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I think that's where the Buddhist says that Reason is but of the Physical and the Mind. To be one.....one must encompass both that which is physical and that which is spiritual. Then again it may have been a Shaolin Priest.
    Assuming you mean spiritual to be things of the mind, emotions, and feelings, that's fine. Reason encompasses these things as well as cold logic. But prayer is asking magic people to do favors for you.
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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Nothing, that should be EVERY day.
    With that I will agree.
    None of this explains how faith is reasonable. There is nothing logical or rational about it. Sorry if you take that as an "attack."
    My apologies if what I said seemed to suggest that what you said was an attack. My intent was to focus on those that I have nicknamed as "airmchair intellectuals." They are the people who sit back, prop themselves and their perceived outlook of rational/mental superiority and degrade and attack those that disagree with them. Militant atheists, hyperpartisans, and dogmatic people of faith that blast their views around with a "I am right because I'm right" mentality along with some other groups would fall into this category

    Personally, I believe that faith in God is rational. It's not irrational to believe that God exists. I also think that it isn't irrational to believe in prayer, especially considering that even if God isn't listening it does get people's hearts and minds focused on issues and their concerns.
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    Re: Day of Prayer vs Day of Reason 2013.....

    This is what HUFF-PO has up on it. From what Stark Wrote in 2011


    While many recognize today, Thursday, May 5, 2011, as the National Day of Prayer, I am writing to recognize it as the 2011 National Day of Reason.

    The National Day of Reason, observed by millions of people in this country and around the world since 2003, celebrates the application of reason and the positive impacts it has had on humanity. Reason and rational discourse have the power to improve living conditions around the world and cultivate intelligent, moral, and ethical interactions among people.

    Reason and rational thinking have made our country great. The Constitution of the United States of America is based upon the philosophies developed during the historical Age of Reason and the idea that citizens engaging in rational discourse and decision-making can govern themselves. The Constitution also contains a strong separation of church and state, making it clear that government should continue to be built on reason.

    The National Day of Reason is also about taking time to improve our communities -- whether that means holding a blood drive or collecting items for the local food bank. It is also about ensuring that our government represents citizens of all beliefs and backgrounds.

    I encourage everyone to join in observing this day and focusing upon the employment of reason, critical thinking, the scientific method, and free inquiry to the resolution of human problems and for the welfare of human kind. It is the duty and responsibility of every American to promote the development and application of reason.....snip~

    Rep. Pete Stark: Celebrating Reason on the National Day of Prayer

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