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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

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    They spent more than a year on it, how much ****ing time do you think they should have spent?
    They should have responded to the obvious public will and ditched the scheme.
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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Well, that's the plan, isn't it? Create such a wreck of a system that single-payer will finally pass, right?
    my guess is that the plan was to sell the bill to the highest bidder in order to get anything passed. the goal was "health reform," and the definition was fairly malleable.

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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    as the private, employer-specific system continues to fail, I'd speculate that more and more people are going to become less satisfied with the status quo. we pay more than anyone else for lousier health care outcomes. hopefully, we'll wake up and take a look at how other first world nations are addressing the problem.
    Yeah, and hopefully people realize that was the plan all along and don't go along with it.

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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah, and hopefully people realize that was the plan all along and don't go along with it.
    OK, what's the alternative? The current way is unsustainable, to coin a favorite Republican phrase.

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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Not 'my' congressmen...the vast majority of ALL congressmen and for that matter, the vast majority of citizens. And if you think the citizens in this country have the first clue what this actually means to them or does to (not for) them, you are wrong.

    Lovin that Obamacare...right? So...which part? The higher premiums? The forced compliance? The revised cost data? Or...just that...hey...**** it...we passed SOMETHING....

    Yeah...that last part...
    Their lack of being informed is not my problem. If the general public can't learn about a bill in a year of discussion, there's no reason to expect two years or five years would make them any better-informed. And whether or not uninformed people think a bill is a good idea or not is not something I care about in the least because they're uninformed. 100% of the population can believe that death panels are real, that doesn't make them real. I don't give a crap about the opinion of people who by your own admission don't know what they're talking about. Opinions don't determine reality.
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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

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    OK, what's the alternative? The current way is unsustainable, to coin a favorite Republican phrase.
    Repeal!
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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Repeal!
    Not happening, but even if it did we would still have the broken system we had leading up until now.

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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Poll: Obamacare Support Nosedives To Tie Record Low | CNS News

    Support for Obamacare has hit the lowest level since the bill was passed, the latest Kaiser Health Tracking Poll shows.

    Overall, just 35 percent have a favorable view of Obamacare while 40 percent have an unfavorable view, which ties an October 2011 poll for the lowest level ever.

    Twenty-four percent have no opinion on the law which, according to Kaiser, continues a recent trend of Americans offering no opinion.

    The Kaiser poll finds that, in the month of April, Americans are more divided than ever on their evaluations of the health law. Opinion remains deeply divided along partisan lines with 57 percent of Democrats favoring the law and 67 percent of Republicans opposing.

    Half of the public (49 percent) say they do not have enough information to fully understand how Obamacare will impact their own family.

    Sixty-five percent of Hispanics say they do not have enough information to understand the law compared with 48 percent of blacks and 45 percent of whites.

    More than half of Americans (53 percent) support efforts to change or block the law, while only a third (33 percent) believe opponents should accept Obamacare as the law of the land, down from 40 percent since the beginning of the year.
    I am not surprised, after all 58% of Americans were against it when it was first passed and the Democrats had to resort to bribes, threats and the whip just to get fellow Democrats to vote for it. The Democrats paid the price for going against the will of the American people in 2010. If this things boondoggles after it is fully implemented come January of next year, the Democrats could be looking at another 2010. I read where Reid has all ready started to blame the Republicans if the ACA does become a boondoggle. There are a couple of other polls on the ACA, Rassmussen is showing 46% of Americans want it repealed, down from the 58% when it was passed and 41% are against repeal. But this is up only 2 points from the 39% that supported ACA when it was first passed. I suspect the big drop among those who want it repealed is probably they decided repeal isn't about to happened regardless of what the American people want or wish.
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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Not happening, but even if it did we would still have the broken system we had leading up until now.
    I agree, as long as Obama is president and the Dems control the Senate repeal isn't about to happen. I don't care if the ACA ends up being the biggest train wreck in the history of the United States, it won't be repealed unless and somehow the Reps can win 60 seats in the senate and gain the presidency. The Democrats have been trying to get national health care since FDR and they aren't going to let a little fact that it doesn't work stand in their way of keeping it.

    But having said these, none of knows if the train wreck will be come a reality or not until January of 2014. then the voters will have ten months to make up their mind on whom to vote for in November for control of the senate.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Poll: Obamacare Support Nosedives To Tie Record Low | CNS News

    Support for Obamacare has hit the lowest level since the bill was passed, the latest Kaiser Health Tracking Poll shows.

    Overall, just 35 percent have a favorable view of Obamacare while 40 percent have an unfavorable view, which ties an October 2011 poll for the lowest level ever.

    Twenty-four percent have no opinion on the law which, according to Kaiser, continues a recent trend of Americans offering no opinion.

    The Kaiser poll finds that, in the month of April, Americans are more divided than ever on their evaluations of the health law. Opinion remains deeply divided along partisan lines with 57 percent of Democrats favoring the law and 67 percent of Republicans opposing.

    Half of the public (49 percent) say they do not have enough information to fully understand how Obamacare will impact their own family.

    Sixty-five percent of Hispanics say they do not have enough information to understand the law compared with 48 percent of blacks and 45 percent of whites.

    More than half of Americans (53 percent) support efforts to change or block the law, while only a third (33 percent) believe opponents should accept Obamacare as the law of the land, down from 40 percent since the beginning of the year.
    "nosedives" is not exactly what is happening here, but then lets consider the source. (BTW, why don't you consider the source and lead with articles from more credible websites? A real news organization would not title the article "....support nosedives..." as it is a gross mis-characterization of the facts, but that's not the point). Yes, less people have a favorable opinion of it. Also, but not in the headline, less people have an unfavorable opinion of it. More and more people just don't know (but that doesn't make a good headline on CNS).

    As an employer of 60 people in the health care industry, I believe "I do not know" is the intelligent response to Obamacare at this moment. It is a complicated and watered down piece of legislation. Substantially all of those that can tell you with certainty that it is a good thing or tell you with certainty that it is a bad thing are ignorant, disingenuous or not particularly bright (get their talking points from other sources).

    BTW... favorable or unfavorable is really moot at this point as it is the law of the land and it ain't going away.
    Last edited by upsideguy; 05-02-13 at 02:02 AM.

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