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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    as the private, employer-specific system continues to fail, I'd speculate that more and more people are going to become less satisfied with the status quo. we pay more than anyone else for lousier health care outcomes. hopefully, we'll wake up and take a look at how other first world nations are addressing the problem.
    Indeed. Having an employer-based health care system is utter idiocy.

    I'm thinking that the ACA will either force businesses to lobby against employer-based health care but still have the private mandate or it will force businesses to lobby for expansion of Medicare to all who pay into it so we have more of a universal health care system.

    Which it will be will be determined by who spends more money to bribe our Representatives and Senators in Congress.
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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

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    Indeed. Having an employer-based health care system is utter idiocy.

    I'm thinking that the ACA will either force businesses to lobby against employer-based health care but still have the private mandate or it will force businesses to lobby for expansion of Medicare to all who pay into it so we have more of a universal health care system.

    Which it will be will be determined by who spends more money to bribe our Representatives and Senators in Congress.
    what it will do is allow employers to cut benefits for a lot of people, forcing them to buy safe auto plans on the private exchanges. these plans will cover almost nothing, and the system will grow even less efficient. eventually, public demand will probably result in Medicare for all.

    it's a stupid way to get there, and we could have just done that from the start. however, we were reluctant to change the status quo, so that's how we're going to get there. one step at a time is better than nothing.

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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    what it will do is allow employers to cut benefits for a lot of people, forcing them to buy safe auto plans on the private exchanges. these plans will cover almost nothing, and the system will grow even less efficient. eventually, public demand will probably result in Medicare for all.

    it's a stupid way to get there, and we could have just done that from the start. however, we were reluctant to change the status quo, so that's how we're going to get there. one step at a time is better than nothing.
    "We" weren't reluctant.

    Congress, and the corporate lobbyists who bribe them, were.
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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    "We" weren't reluctant.

    Congress, and the corporate lobbyists who bribe them, were.
    good point, but there is still a sizable portion of the population which fights any change kicking and screaming.

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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Cant be shocked about this. This was passed kinda like the prom queen getting screwed on homecoming. They rammed it through in the middle of the night all the while telling everyone how much they loved them, cared about them, it was the right thing...it just FELT right...you will be glad when it is over. Then it was over, they blamed the prom queen because really, she wanted it. 5 months later she is looking at the growing bump in the mirror and seeing a doctor for a raging STD asking WTF???

    Yes...it 'passed' but WHAT was passed? no one knew. When it was confirmed that it was legal it was suddenly labeled a tax...a tax everyone had to pay. For services they really didn't know what they would cover or how much it would cost but hey...it was OK because it wouldn't really kick in til 2014. By then it will magically all make sense.
    They spent more than a year on it, how much ****ing time do you think they should have spent?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They spent more than a year on it, how much ****ing time do you think they should have spent?
    Enough to actually have read it, know what they were voting for, been able to articulate to the public what they were voting for, how much it was really going to cost, what it was going to actually do, who it was actually going to impact, how it was going to impact existing insurance policies, employers, existing social programs like welfare, medicare, medicaid, social security...you know...basic **** like that.

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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Poll: Obamacare Support Nosedives To Tie Record Low | CNS News

    Support for Obamacare has hit the lowest level since the bill was passed, the latest Kaiser Health Tracking Poll shows.

    Overall, just 35 percent have a favorable view of Obamacare while 40 percent have an unfavorable view, which ties an October 2011 poll for the lowest level ever.

    Twenty-four percent have no opinion on the law which, according to Kaiser, continues a recent trend of Americans offering no opinion.

    The Kaiser poll finds that, in the month of April, Americans are more divided than ever on their evaluations of the health law. Opinion remains deeply divided along partisan lines with 57 percent of Democrats favoring the law and 67 percent of Republicans opposing.

    Half of the public (49 percent) say they do not have enough information to fully understand how Obamacare will impact their own family.

    Sixty-five percent of Hispanics say they do not have enough information to understand the law compared with 48 percent of blacks and 45 percent of whites.

    More than half of Americans (53 percent) support efforts to change or block the law, while only a third (33 percent) believe opponents should accept Obamacare as the law of the land, down from 40 percent since the beginning of the year.
    The American public has been stonewalled. The first thing anyone wants to know about this massive new program is: How is Obamacare going to effect me?? Information is sparse...confusing...indirect.

    Its implementation, if not the plan itself, is a massive failure. Our government should be freakin' ashamed.

    Democrats, in my opinion, should lose big in 2014. They made this mess. They can't clean it up. Shame on them.
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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Enough to actually have read it, know what they were voting for, been able to articulate to the public what they were voting for, how much it was really going to cost, what it was going to actually do, who it was actually going to impact, how it was going to impact existing insurance policies, employers, existing social programs like welfare, medicare, medicaid, social security...you know...basic **** like that.
    I read the bill in an afternoon. If your congressman failed to read it in a year, your district sucks and should vote for someone better next time. They had plenty of time to gather this information.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I read the bill in an afternoon. If your congressman failed to read it in a year, your district sucks and should vote for someone better next time. They had plenty of time to gather this information.
    Not 'my' congressmen...the vast majority of ALL congressmen and for that matter, the vast majority of citizens. And if you think the citizens in this country have the first clue what this actually means to them or does to (not for) them, you are wrong.

    Lovin that Obamacare...right? So...which part? The higher premiums? The forced compliance? The revised cost data? Or...just that...hey...**** it...we passed SOMETHING....

    Yeah...that last part...

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    Re: Support for Obamacare Nosedives

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    as the private, employer-specific system continues to fail, I'd speculate that more and more people are going to become less satisfied with the status quo. we pay more than anyone else for lousier health care outcomes. hopefully, we'll wake up and take a look at how other first world nations are addressing the problem.
    Well, that's the plan, isn't it? Create such a wreck of a system that single-payer will finally pass, right?
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