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Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

i dont even know what whiffing is
nor why you cant find the puncuations keys on your keyboard

ironic post; kudos for that
whiffing is striking out when at bat. look it up in the dictionary and you will see issa's photo beside the description
 
Move on, please. You are not contributing anything to this thread.
 
Wrong again. Congress has the power, the President does not. And it has nothing do with dicks or bush.
appears you missed post 166. the shrub established precedent - must be a bitch to come back and bite your side in the ass; here are his words:
The President relies upon his staff to provide him candid advice. The framers of the Constitution understood this vital role when developing the separate branches of government. And if the staff of a President operated in constant fear of being hauled before various committees to discuss internal deliberations, the President would not receive candid advice, and the American people would be ill-served.... I will oppose any attempts to subpoena White House officials.... My choice is to make sure that I safeguard the ability for Presidents to get good decisions.
 
show us what issa has been able to reveal thus far regarding ANY investigation of Obama administration activities
he's zero for everything
prediction: another strikeout

Show me how he didn't start the Process? Did he begin the Process by sending the letters to Each? I would notice how he didn't hesitate to tell the CIA to Lawyer up.

Although I wouldn't say he is Zero for everything. Not with Two Separate Committees Finding Sheer Negligence and Incompetency All the Way to Hillary's pathetic azz.
 
Show me how he didn't start the Process? Did he begin the Process by sending the letters to Each? I would notice how he didn't hesitate to tell the CIA to Lawyer up.
and yet he has actually done nothing to conduct a hearing on this matter
and how long has it been?

Although I wouldn't say he is Zero for everything. Not with Two Separate Committees Finding Sheer Negligence and Incompetency All the Way to Hillary's pathetic azz.
give us a cite showing anything he has found
zip, nada, zed, zero
 
and yet he has actually done nothing to conduct a hearing on this matter
and how long has it been?


give us a cite showing anything he has found
zip, nada, zed, zero

That's because he had to follow the Process and now that The Independent and Senate Committees are done with their turns. It is now The House's Turn. Which means it is Now in Issa's hands and that means the Oversite Committee. He has agreed with the other two Committees on that Sheer Negligence and Incompetency.

The House Oversight Committee will resume hearings on the terrorist attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) said Wednesday.

Next month, the Oversight Committee will convene a hearing on the Benghazi terrorist attacks to examine evidence that Obama Administration officials have attempted to suppress information about errors and reckless misjudgments,” Issa said. “The American people still don’t have the full truth about what happened both before and after the murders of four brave Americans.

Issa said his hearings would examine the problems in the administration's own review of Benghazi.

"While President Obama and his administration may be inclined to give free passes to senior officials who bungled their responsibilities, this committee will expose what they did and hold them accountable to the public. Getting the full story is critical to ensuring that this does not happen again.”

The announcement follows Tuesday's release of an interim report by the Republican leaders of the five committees of jurisdiction — including Issa's — that blames then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for security lapses in Benghazi that contributed to the deaths of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

The interim House GOP report accuses Clinton's State Department of seeking to change administration talking points to “insulate” the department from criticism. It also says President Obama should have anticipated the increased risk of attack on the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and given the Department of Defense “the authority to launch offensive operations beyond self-defense.”

Read more: House GOP to hold new hearings on Benghazi - The Hill's Global Affairs
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That point on Obama remaining on Alert over the Anniversary of 911.....well, finally looks like Obama will be Front and Center on that one.
Do you think Obama can make a Mean face now.....and make it all go away?

My only thought is.....since he has a problem with stuttering now. How much more will he stutter when he has no out. :lol:
 
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That's because he had to follow the Process and now that The Independent and Senate Committees are done with their turns. It is now The House's Turn. Which means it is Now in Issa's hands and that means the Oversite Committee. He has agreed with the other two Committees on that Sheer Negligence and Incompetency.

The House Oversight Committee will resume hearings on the terrorist attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) said Wednesday.

Next month, the Oversight Committee will convene a hearing on the Benghazi terrorist attacks to examine evidence that Obama Administration officials have attempted to suppress information about errors and reckless misjudgments,” Issa said. “The American people still don’t have the full truth about what happened both before and after the murders of four brave Americans.

Issa said his hearings would examine the problems in the administration's own review of Benghazi.

"While President Obama and his administration may be inclined to give free passes to senior officials who bungled their responsibilities, this committee will expose what they did and hold them accountable to the public. Getting the full story is critical to ensuring that this does not happen again.”

The announcement follows Tuesday's release of an interim report by the Republican leaders of the five committees of jurisdiction — including Issa's — that blames then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for security lapses in Benghazi that contributed to the deaths of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

The interim House GOP report accuses Clinton's State Department of seeking to change administration talking points to “insulate” the department from criticism. It also says President Obama should have anticipated the increased risk of attack on the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and given the Department of Defense “the authority to launch offensive operations beyond self-defense.”

Read more: House GOP to hold new hearings on Benghazi - The Hill's Global Affairs
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That point on Obama remaining on Alert over the Anniversary of 911.....well, finally looks like Obama will be Front and Center on that one.
Do you think Obama can make a Mean face now.....and make it all go away?

My only thought is.....since he has a problem with stuttering now. How much more will he stutter when he has no out. :lol:
less talk and more action
issa could find his ass with both hands
this time next year your side will still be talking about holding hearings
 
less talk and more action
issa could find his ass with both hands
this time next year your side will still be talking about holding hearings

Well.....that would be nice if they could carry that out up until the Mid-Term with all of that being upfront and center. Especially after your side learns that all Team Obama did was deflect from the fact that Obama was to Worried over his Election, was out, "busy".....Having a good time, a really good time. So much of a good time and so caught up with the Media and the Election.

That he forgot all about the Anniversary of 911.....dropping that ball. Kinda Like Double Dribble. :lol:
 
Well.....that would be nice if they could carry that out up until the Mid-Term with all of that being upfront and center. Especially after your side learns that all Team Obama did was deflect from the fact that Obama was to Worried over his Election, was out, "busy".....Having a good time, a really good time. So much of a good time and so caught up with the Media and the Election.

That he forgot all about the Anniversary of 911.....dropping that ball. Kinda Like Double Dribble. :lol:

then you seem to agree
issa has nothing
otherwise he would have already exposed it for the world to see
 
then you seem to agree
issa has nothing
otherwise he would have already exposed it for the world to see

No.....not at all, and that's not even close to what I am saying. I doubt with all that I have said about it would even remotely show that I would agree with such.

Maybe he understands that Hillary and Team Obama already has been shown to be Incompetent and Negligent.....now its just a matter of time on Team Obama and the left understanding that consequences come with those that fail to perform to accountability. Which means not just run around and talk about.....I take responsibility while having not suffered any consequence.
 
No.....not at all, and that's not even close to what I am saying. I doubt with all that I have said about it would even remotely show that I would agree with such.

Maybe he understands that Hillary and Team Obama already has been shown to be Incompetent and Negligent.....now its just a matter of time on Team Obama and the left understanding that consequences come with those that fail to perform to accountability. Which means not just run around and talk about.....I take responsibility while having not suffered any consequence.
ok. i'll post with you more about it AFTER issa actually conducts a hearing
til then there is nothing to talk about
nobody hold your breath waiting
 
Not looking good for the White House. One of the whistleblowers was the Deputy Chief of Mission for the Embassy in Libya at the time. And another the head of regional security.

Appearing before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee will be three career State Department officials: Gregory N. Hicks, the deputy chief of mission at the U.S. Embassy in Libya at the time of the Benghazi terrorist attacks; Mark I. Thompson, a former Marine and now the deputy coordinator for Operations in the agency’s Counterterrorism Bureau; and Eric Nordstrom, a diplomatic security officer who was the regional security officer in Libya, the top security officer in the country in the months leading up to the attacks.

EXCLUSIVE: Names Of

Hicks is a veteran Foreign Service officer whose overseas postings have also included Afghanistan, Syria, and Yemen.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz, a Utah Republican and committee member, said Hicks was in Tripoli at 9:40 p.m. local time when he received one of Stevens’ earliest phone calls amid the crisis.

“We’re under attack! We’re under attack!” the ambassador reportedly shouted into his cell phone at Hicks.

Chaffetz, who subsequently debriefed Hicks, also said the deputy “immediately called into Washington to trigger all the mechanisms” for an inter-agency response.
 
Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged

I wonder if Issa is going to run an investigation of how his leadership helped Bush declare a pointless war that killed thousands of our highly trained soldiers?

Oh. I guess that's not a scandal as serious as a raid on an embassy.
 
I wonder if Issa is going to run an investigation of how his leadership helped Bush declare a pointless war that killed thousands of our highly trained soldiers?

Oh. I guess that's not a scandal as serious as a raid on an embassy.

Bush isn't President.
 
Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged

But the guys who voted for it and promoted it are in the House.

Oh yeah. It was guys like Issa. I understand.
 
Bush isn't President.

Yeah.....Plus they need to realize about such an argument. As if 2 wrongs can make it Right. Deflecting to Bush still doesn't explain what went wrong with Benghazi.
 
the Benghazi conspiracy nonsense was invented by fox as a tool to help Romney. though it didn't work with the general public because fox has no credibility, it sold pretty well to Fox's viewers, so apparently they're still running with it. both sides expose tragedy for political gain, and it's slimy.

Yep... its right up there with truther and birther conspiracies.
 
Yep... its right up there with truther and birther conspiracies.

Nah, that's only what the Left wants low Information voters to think.....then they will throw in an Obama-Phone with such In Pre text form so they can always send that message out. Tricky lil guys aren't they.
 
Nah, that's only what the Left wants low Information voters to think.....then they will throw in an Obama-Phone with such In Pre text form so they can always send that message out. Tricky lil guys aren't they.

Then you should have followed the facts of Benghazi more closely.. Forget the changing narrative... they were learning about what happened in bits and pieces.. so the conspiracy theorists have glomed on to the early discrepancies for political purposes.
 
Then you should have followed the facts of Benghazi more closely.. Forget the changing narrative... they were learning about what happened in bits and pieces.. so the conspiracy theorists have glomed on to the early discrepancies for political purposes.

This doesn't explain away any negligence nor incompetency.....nor does it explain why after 8 months. Not one person has been held accountable. Nor has any been brought to justice. Nor why Obama has tried to change talking points by using an argument of it is an ongoing process. Which changes nothing about Clintons Incompetence. Nor what Team Obama started out with.

Moreover I have followed Benghazi from the beginning.....perhaps when you can come up with something for Team Obama other than they were learning in bits and pieces.
Especially since the CIA and Intelligence Knew.....as they are now stating. Course now with the FBI saying the same thing tends to lend credibility to what the CIA is saying.

Which means they Knew even before the attack even took place.
 
Congress released some more transcripts of interviews with the whistleblowers from last month. Public testimony is later this week.



After Libya's prime minister called to tell him Stevens had died, Hicks said, “The Libyan military agreed to fly their C130 to Benghazi and carry additional personnel to Benghazi as reinforcements. But as the special forces team headed to the airport, Hicks said, they got a phone call from Special Operations Command Africa saying “you can't go now; you don't have authority to go now.”

Read more: Diplomat claims US forces told to stand down in Benghazi - The Hill's Global Affairs
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“I believe that if we had been able to scramble a fighter or aircraft or two over Benghazi as quickly as possible after the attack commenced, I believe there would not have been a mortar attack on the annex in the morning because I believe the Libyans would have split,” Hicks said. “They would have been scared to death that we would have gotten a laser on them and killed them.”

Read more: Diplomat claims US forces told to stand down in Benghazi - The Hill's Global Affairs
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Seems like theres 3 issues here.

1. failure to prevent the attack
2. failure to defend the embassy once the attack was under way
3. a misinformation campaign to avoid blame
 
Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged

Could it be that no one is being held accountable because it may be Congress that is responsible for cutting the security budget for Embassies (and Congress rarely blames itself, especially the GOP House)?
 
Could it be that no one is being held accountable because it may be Congress that is responsible for cutting the security budget for Embassies (and Congress rarely blames itself, especially the GOP House)?

No not really.....not since Politi-fact, Fact Check. Org, and Politico all validated that it stemmed back to Obama's budget. Which then noted that both Dems and Repubs voted to do so with Security. Then re-appropriated funds to make up any difference.

One -- which was noted by several fact-checkers in the aftermath of the debate -- is that Ryan, as the chairman of the House Budget Committee, put forward such severe cuts in his budget proposal that, running the numbers, embassy security funding would suffer a cut of $300 million.

The second was was to compare the relevant budget lines in the president’s proposed fiscal year 2012 budget to the amount passed by the House of Representatives last year.

We’ll look at both of these justifications, but first, let’s outline what Obama proposed for fiscal year 2012 (figures are rounded):

Worldwide Security Protection (ongoing operations): $1.45 billion
Worldwide Security Protection (overseas contingency operations): $247 million
Embassy Security, Construction, and Maintenance -- Worldwide Security Upgrades: $938 million

Total: $2.64 billion

Cuts in spending already passed by Congress

Using the second justification -- comparing Obama’s request to what the GOP-controlled House voted to spend for fiscal year 2012 -- has the advantage of not being speculative. Here’s the amount passed by the House for fiscal 2012 (figures also rounded):

Worldwide Security Protection (ongoing operations): $1.31 billion
Worldwide Security Protection (overseas contigency operations): $247 million
Embassy Security, Construction, and Maintenance -- Worldwide Security Upgrades: $755 million

Total: $2.31 billion

The difference between these two amounts is nearly $327 million -- a bit above the $300 million Biden cited.

Ultimately, a final bill with slightly higher amounts than the House’s initial bill -- about $60 million more -- was passed by both chambers and signed by the president.

But this approach has problems as well. For starters, Biden glosses over the fact that the president did ultimately sign the bill with the new lower funding amount, meaning he shares some responsibility for the lower level. (All presidential budget requests are opening offers that inevitably become subject to negotiation.)

The main problem with Biden’s claim, however, is that it’s not really what he was referring to in his claim from the debate. Biden said Ryan "cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for," but what passed the House wasn’t Ryan’s budget blueprint -- it was an actual spending bill that emerged from the House Appropriations Committee.....snip~

PolitiFact | Joe Biden says Paul Ryan cut embassy security by $300 million
 
Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged

While its nice to pretend that when the President signs a budget it's 'his' budget, it doesn't really work that way.

And the Biden thing (and Dem congressmen) is just firing back politically- they're pointing our that if the GODp had their way, security would be even worse.

Here's a nice article taking the issue out of the political circus realm.

http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2012/11/16/a-hidden-cause-of-benghazi-tragedy/
 
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