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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Still can't show how the FBI were prevented from investigating this.
    Like you still cant show about that Terrorism Definition.

    But now that Hicks has testified that he felt Rice's remarks impeded the FBI going into Libya.....your theory is starting to look a lil bit less likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Like you still cant show about that Terrorism Definition.

    But now that Hicks has testified that he felt Rice's remarks impeded the FBI going into Libya.....your theory is starting to look a lil bit less likely.
    IOW, you *still* have no evidence that it impeded the FBI's investigation in any way
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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Like you still cant show about that Terrorism Definition.

    But now that Hicks has testified that he felt Rice's remarks impeded the FBI going into Libya.....your theory is starting to look a lil bit less likely.
    How would Hicks Rice's remarks impeded the FBI going into Libya?

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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    How would Hicks Rice's remarks impeded the FBI going into Libya?
    Libya blocks FBI investigators

    FBI investigators still have not been granted permission to visit the consulate building where the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans were killed three weeks ago during an attack by Libyan militants in the eastern city of Benghazi.

    An FBI team was dispatched to Libya within days of the attack, but they have been forced to remain in Tripoli as U.S. and Libyan officials argue over the terms under which the two sides will co-operate in the investigation......snip~


    FBI investigation of attack on American ambassador to Libya - latimes.com

    The net impact of Rice's statements, Hicks said, was "immeasurable." On top of his personal belief that "the reason it took us so long to get the FBI to Benghazi is because of those Sunday talk shows," he said, Magariaf lost face "in front of not only his own people, but the world" at a time of democratic transition in his country. He added, "I have heard from a friend who had dinner with President Magariaf in New York City that he was still angry at Amb. Rice well after the incident."

    Appearing on "Face the Nation" to address Hicks's remarks, chairman Issa agreed Sunday that the "fatal error" in a debacle that marked a "misinformation campaign at best, and a cover-up at worst," was tossing into the lurch the relationship between the United States and Libya.

    "You can't insult a foreign leader in a greater way than happened literally here, just those few days later," Issa said. "Ambassadors know that the one thing you can't do is contradict your host, especially at a time when you need their cooperation. This was a fatal error to our relationship, at least for a period of time. And we can't find the purpose. [Secretary of State Hillary Clinton] should have been among – above all else – the person who was on the same sheet of music with the Libyan government, and she wasn’t.".....snip~

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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    How would Hicks Rice's remarks impeded the FBI going into Libya?
    The right's argument is getting incoherent. MMC is claiming that the FBI was hindered in its' investigation because Obama called it an "act of terrorism" and not "terrorism"

    His "proof" of this is that Hicks said so, even though Hicks knows nothing about the FBI. Hicks worked for State
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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Libya blocks FBI investigators

    FBI investigators still have not been granted permission to visit the consulate building where the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans were killed three weeks ago during an attack by Libyan militants in the eastern city of Benghazi.

    An FBI team was dispatched to Libya within days of the attack, but they have been forced to remain in Tripoli as U.S. and Libyan officials argue over the terms under which the two sides will co-operate in the investigation......snip~


    FBI investigation of attack on American ambassador to Libya - latimes.com

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    While I always appreciate someone that backs up their assertions with third party evidence (thank you) AND I always appreciate it when it comes from a credible news source like the LA Times (thank you), BUT......

    Who is Al Eisner and why is this on the LA Times Sports page?

    Me thinks this isn't a credible reference that backs up your assertion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    While I always appreciate someone that backs up their assertions with third party evidence (thank you) AND I always appreciate it when it comes from a credible news source like the LA Times (thank you), BUT......

    Who is Al Eisner and why is this on the LA Times Sports page?

    Me thinks this isn't a credible reference that backs up your assertion.
    Al Eisner, of Silver Spring, is a crotchety old retiree who writes a lot of letters to the editors of various periodicals and runs the Impeach Obama campaign from his living room

    That is who MMC is using as a source
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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Where did Mac say he was demoted? But this is what he did say I quote:

    "Who he is: With a 22-year career at the State Department, Hicks has distinguished record of service in six overseas assignments in Bahrain, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Syria, and The Gambia. In the course of his service, he's received six Meritorious Service Increases, three individual Meritorious Honor Awards, and four individual Superior Honor Awards. At the time of the attack in Benghazi, Hicks was the number two U.S. official in Libya."

    It appears Hicks has served under different presidents, has a stellar record. And he is not the only one bringing out the truth over an Obama administration coverup of incompetence, and lies distorting the truth for political gain. This is not over nor should it be, lives lost due to incompetence and wrong political decision needs to fully uncover the truth. That is the least that anyone should want.
    MMC made the bogus, undocumented assertion
    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Here.....you must have missed it yesterday. Plus most have moved over to those threads and the more current events.

    (1) Murdered US Ambassador Chris Stevens' second in command, Gregory Hicks, was instructed not to speak with a Congressional investigator by Sec. Hillary Clinton's chief of staff, Cheryl Mills. Hicks said he'd "never" faced a similar demand at any point during his distinguished 22-year diplomatic career. When he refused to comply with this request, the State Department dispatched an attorney to act as a "minder," who insisted on sitting in on all of Hicks' discussions with members of Congress (higher quality video is available here):


    (2) When Hicks began to voice strenuous objections to the administration's inaccurate talking points with State Department higher-ups, the administration turned hostile. After being lavishly praised by the president and the Secretary of State for his performance under fire, Assistant Secretary of State Beth Jones instantly reversed course and launched into a "blistering critique" of Hicks' leadership. He was subsequently "effectively demoted." Hicks called Rice's talking points "stunning" and "embarrassing.".....snip~

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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Al Eisner, of Silver Spring, is a crotchety old retiree who writes a lot of letters to the editors of various periodicals and runs the Impeach Obama campaign from his living room

    That is who MMC is using as a source
    Yeah.....Course you should have been smart enough to know I always.....ALWAYS like to set up those such as yourself over News Sources. What did you think I didn't have anything to back the play. My, my, my.....inadequacy does abound when trying to measure up.

    There, Libyans say, the investigation is nonoperational, if not effectively dead, with witnesses too fearful to talk and key police officers targeted for violent retribution. “There is no Libyan investigation. No, no, no,” says Mohamed Buisier, a political activist in Benghazi, who returned home in 2011 after decades in the U.S. “There is not even a will to investigate anything. Even for us civilians, it is very dangerous if you talk about this subject.”

    Beset by criminality and awash with weapons, Benghazi is a dangerous place, and police officers like al-Mahdawi and el-Drissi had full dockets. But both men had the attack on the U.S. compound in common. “Any person who touches this file is disappearing into thin air,” says Rami el-Obeidi, a former intelligence chief for the rebels’ National Transitional Council during the 2011 revolution, who has attempted to probe the attack on his own time but has faced the frustrations of confusing and missing evidence. “Who’s leading the investigation now? No one. What’s the progress? Nothing,” he said by phone. “Anyone who has had a hand in the investigation has been killed or abducted or threatened.”

    The stymied investigation seems a far cry from the assurances from Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, immediately after the attack, that the culprits would be caught. A somber Obama told White House reporters the morning after the attack, “Make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.”

    On the ground, however, Benghazi’s residents are slowly moving on and forgetting about the disastrous assault four months ago. The consulate building remains a burned-out ruin. And with al-Harzi out of jail in Tunisia, there is no suspect in custody for the attack. Buisier says the only thing that reminds people of the attack these days is the noise from above, apparently U.S. drones flying over eastern Libya’s main city as part of ramped-up security after the attack. Says he, “We wish they would be quieter.”

    Read more: Benghazi Investigation Holding Up Obama, Going Nowhere in Libya | TIME.com


    FBI agents had been staying away from Benghazi until the city was more secure, law enforcement officials said. But agents were in other parts of the country investigating the attack since Sept. 18.

    Little said it was "a matter of days" between the request for the FBI to access the Benghazi crime scene and the team's arrival Thursday, Libya time, when the U.S. military airlifted them to the city.

    The request to the Pentagon to transport the FBI to Benghazi came several days ago and it took a few days to get authorization from the Libyan government and to make other necessary arrangements to get the team there, the senior Defense Department official said.

    U.S. officials also suggested that there may have been some disagreement between the State Department and the FBI over whether or not the FBI team would use Libyan security or seek approval for the U.S. military to handle the mission. The U.S. Army Delta Force troops.....snip~

    FBI Investigators In and Out of Libya in 12 Hours | Military.com

    Whistle-blower: Botched talking points hurt FBI probe of Benghazi attack

    A key Benghazi whistle-blower, responding to Democratic claims that the prolonged scrutiny over the administration's botched talking points is unwarranted, testified Wednesday that the early mischaracterization of the attack may have actually hurt the FBI's investigation.

    "I definitely believe that it negatively affected our ability to get the FBI team quickly to Benghazi," said Greg Hicks, the deputy chief of mission in Libya who became the top U.S. diplomat in the country after Ambassador Chris Stevens was killed. He claimed the Libyan president was angered by the mischaracterization, in turn slowing the U.S. probe.

    Read more: Whistle-blower: Botched talking points hurt FBI probe of Benghazi attack | Fox News

    Libya's investigation of Benghazi consulate attack in limbo....

    BENGHAZI, Libya — After more than two months, Libya's investigation into the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi appears in limbo. Key security commanders and witnesses say they were never questioned. No suspects have been named, and gunmen seen participating in the assault walk freely in the eastern Libyan city.

    Hanging over the inquiry is a fear of reprisals from extremist militiamen.


    From Libya, there has been little sign of an investigation.

    Numerous senior security officials in the city approached by the Associated Press knew nothing about the inquiry, and none said they had been questioned by investigators. The commander of Joint Operation Room who oversaw the security forces' reaction during the attack said he sent a report to the ruling General National Congress but received no feedback and had not been contacted by investigators.

    "We were surprised that we were not summoned. . . . Very strange," said the commander, Abdel-Salam al-Barghathi. "I don't see anything on the ground" by way of investigation.

    The investigation commission created by the National Congress to work with the FBI is largely based out of Tripoli, 400 miles from Benghazi.

    It has faced personnel problems. Initially it was led by a judge in Benghazi, but he stepped down after only two weeks, according to the head of the Benghazi Cassation court, Fatma al-Baraghathi, who appointed him.

    He was replaced by a judge in Tripoli, but al-Baraghathi said it was not clear if he had started work. The commission also includes the Interior Ministry's Criminal Investigation Division and Libyan intelligence.

    The judge who stepped down refused to give details.

    "I no longer have anything to do with this case, and I have nothing to say about it," said Salem Abdel-Atti.

    Libya's investigation of Benghazi consulate attack in limbo | News update, news roundup | Tampa Bay Times

    You didn't actually think you could measure up did you? Now that would be extremely hilarious.

    Don't forget we already have the fact Checker that says the President of Libyan was stilled upset with Rice, 4 months after the attack.

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