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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

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    Then call your Senator and get them investigated. Regardless, they don't change the facts surrounding Benghazi or the cover-up assisted by the media. Whether or not Fox had a motive in covering it or not, it happened.

    Now, why not just face the music and stop trying to divert or shift blame?
    face the music? ok. if Obama is the scheming, Nixonian devil that fox entertainment claims, i hope that he is held accountable. and as i said in my previous post, if the administration is brought down for a watergate style coverup, i'll come back to this thread and admit to the that i was wrong.

    i find it unfortunate that either side uses tragedy to promote a political agenda. the left did it with Sandy Hook, and the right has done the same with Benghazi. it's disgusting.

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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

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    Dude. He took a nap and then went to Vegas. You don't have to be Superman to get more involved than that.
    I'm still waiting for the punchline....what was he, or Sec of State Clinton supposed to do when these 150 assault troops hit a lightly fortified compound that wasn't even an embassy but a welcoming center:

    The compound would be rechristened "an American Space," and it would offer English lessons and Internet access and show films and stock a library. The United States would provide some computers, books, and the rest of the materials and support—but it would be owned and operated by locals. "An American Space," Stevens planned to say, "is a living example of the kind of partnership between our two countries which we hope to inspire."

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    Was he or Clinton supposed to beam over in the transporter and break out the force field...because we have those, you know.
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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

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    I'm still waiting for the punchline....what was he, or Sec of State Clinton supposed to do when these 150 assault troops hit a lightly fortified compound that wasn't even an embassy but a welcoming center:
    First, Clinton could have authorized the increased security requested ahead of time. Second, they could have authorized the Special Forces personnel in Tripoli at the time to go in rather than stand down. (yes that did happen), Third, they could have been honest about it rather than attempt a cover up.

    Any more questions?
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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

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    face the music? ok. if Obama is the scheming, Nixonian devil that fox entertainment claims, i hope that he is held accountable. and as i said in my previous post, if the administration is brought down for a watergate style coverup, i'll come back to this thread and admit to the that i was wrong.

    i find it unfortunate that either side uses tragedy to promote a political agenda. the left did it with Sandy Hook, and the right has done the same with Benghazi. it's disgusting.
    Disgusting as it is, it happened. Today's testimony by eye-witness involved personnel shows that.
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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Thanks. I admit to having little interest in the attack itself, though I have been frustrated by the lack of legitimate information on the hearings. Most sources seem to be more about the political implications one way or another then the actual event today.
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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    First, Clinton could have authorized the increased security requested ahead of time. Second, they could have authorized the Special Forces personnel in Tripoli at the time to go in rather than stand down. (yes that did happen), Third, they could have been honest about it rather than attempt a cover up.

    Any more questions?
    Um, Stevens was planning on being at this compound for 5 days, Clinton was not involved in any of the security details, Tripoli is hours away and Stevens compound attack was a hit and run operation lasting less than an hour, don't confuse it with the attack on the CIA compound.
    The President and the Sec of State described it the very next day as an attack by militants.

    You still have not described anything the WH should have done to stop a sneak attack half a world away on a compound that Stevens was visiting.

    I know you guys think this is your 9-11 or watergate....but it isn't. Now take Stevens off the cross cross and let him rest in peace....unless you think your monday morning quarterbacking justifies it.
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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Clinton was not involved in any of the security details
    Proven false. Repeatedly.

    Tripoli is hours away and Stevens compound attack was a hit and run operation lasting less than an hour, don't confuse it with the attack on the CIA compound.
    Steven's condition was unknown at the time the troops were told to stand down. Excuse is moot.

    "In testimony before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Gregory Hicks, the deputy chief of mission in Libya at the time of the attack, said he was frustrated when the military turned down his request for a Special Operations team to be deployed from Tripoli to the Benghazi consulate, where Ambassador Chris Stevens and the others were holed up and under assault."

    Just so you know, had the Special forces boarded the waiting Libyan C-130 in Tripoli, they would have been in Benghazi in less than an hour.

    The President and the Sec of State described it the very next day as an attack by militants.
    No, they did not.

    You still have not described anything the WH should have done to stop a sneak attack half a world away on a compound that Stevens was visiting.
    Given the events that were transpiring, no American official should have been in place without the requisite security. That is full on in the lap of both the Secretary and the WH.

    I know you guys think this is your 9-11 or watergate....but it isn't. Now take Stevens off the cross cross and let him rest in peace....unless you think your monday morning quarterbacking justifies it.
    Really...I think even you know that this was an abysmal failure conducted by inept officials.
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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Proven false. Repeatedly.
    BS.



    Steven's condition was unknown at the time the troops were told to stand down. Excuse is moot.

    "In testimony before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Gregory Hicks, the deputy chief of mission in Libya at the time of the attack, said he was frustrated when the military turned down his request for a Special Operations team to be deployed from Tripoli to the Benghazi consulate, where Ambassador Chris Stevens and the others were holed up and under assault."

    Just so you know, had the Special forces boarded the waiting Libyan C-130 in Tripoli, they would have been in Benghazi in less than an hour.
    Dude, he died from breathing too much smoke, how were troops hours away in Tripoli going to prevent his breathing smoke in a hit and run attack?



    No, they did not.
    Yes they did.



    Given the events that were transpiring, no American official should have been in place without the requisite security. That is full on in the lap of both the Secretary and the WH.
    "events transpiring", ffs, so you had better insight than Stevens? What's next, you got some Triple Crown insights, Dan Marino?



    Really...I think even you know that this was an abysmal failure conducted by inept officials.
    So you are calling Stevens an "inept official"?
    He went from martyr to bum in one post.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    BS.
    It's been repeatedly testified before congress that the Secretary denied requests. A written denial of the request with her signature on it has been produced.

    "However, the House report published today provides evidence that suggests Sec. Clinton was in fact aware of security requests from Libya. On March 28, 2012 Ambassador Gene Cretz sent a cable to Secretary Clinton requesting “continued deployment of both Mobile Security Detachment (MSD) teams, or at least additional DS agents to replace them, as well as the full five DS agents which the December 2011 memorandum claimed would be stationed in Benghazi.” DS stands for Diplomatic Security.

    According to the report, a response cable signed by Sec. Clinton on April 19, 2012 “acknowledges Ambassador Cretz’s request for additional security but instead articulates a plan to scale back security.” The same cable recommended a “joint reassessment of the number of DS agents requested for Benghazi.” It was clear to at least one diplomatic staffer in Tripoli what reassessment meant, “looks like no movement on the full complement of [five DS] personnel for Benghazi, but rather a reassessment to bring the numbers lower.”

    http://rickgreen.com/2013/04/25/hous...rity-in-libya/

    Dude, he died from breathing too much smoke, how were troops hours away in Tripoli going to prevent his breathing smoke in a hit and run attack?
    Not hours, less than 1 hour.

    http://www.howmanyhours.com/flight_t...azi,-libya.php

    Yes they did.
    No, they did not. Further, they blamed it as a response to a video for days afterward.

    "events transpiring", ffs, so you had better insight than Stevens? What's next, you got some Triple Crown insights, Dan Marino?
    No, Stevens requested additional security based on the bombings and attacks on several other countries' diplomatic missions, not to mention the previous attacks on the Benghazi site. Perhaps you should become familiar with more than just the talking points.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affa...ontradictions-

    So you are calling Stevens an "inept official"?
    He went from martyr to bum in one post.
    No, Clinton and the WH staff. Nice try, though.
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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's been repeatedly testified before congress that the Secretary denied requests. A written denial of the request with her signature on it has been produced.
    BS, every document coming from the SOS office has her name on it, she did not "sign" off on anything related to this. Stop watching Fox, Fox kills brain cells.



    LOL! 49 minutes flight time....from airport to airport. Hint: The compound Stevens was at...was not at the airport.....and the troops were not located at the Tripoli airport.

    It took Doherty hours to get to the CIA compound from Tripoli:
    The team, which included 2 active duty JSOC operators and five CIA personnel, had commandeered a small jet in Tripoli by paying the pilots $30,000 and forcing them to fly the team to Benghazi.[18]:43 After being held up at the airport for a few hours, the Libyan forces and newly arrived Americans went to the CIA annex at about 5:00am to assist in transporting approximately 32 Americans at the annex back to the airport for evacuation.



    No, they did not. Further, they blamed it as a response to a video for days afterward.
    You are wrong, the very next day both Obama and Clinton stated:


    On September 12 U.S. President Barack Obama condemned "this outrageous attack" on U.S. diplomatic facilities[142] and stated that "[s]ince our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others."[142] After referring to "the 9/11 attacks," "troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan", and "then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi"[142] the President urged, "As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it."[142] He then went on to say, "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."[142]

    After the attack, Obama ordered that security be increased at all such facilities worldwide.[9] A 50-member Marine FAST team was sent to Libya to "bolster security."[143] It was announced that the FBI would investigate the possibility of the attack being planned.[144] U.S. officials said surveillance over Libya would increase, including the use of unmanned drones, to "hunt for the attackers."[144]

    Secretary of State Clinton also made a statement on September 12, describing the perpetrators as "heavily armed militants" and "a small and savage group – not the people or government of Libya.


    No, Stevens requested additional security based on the bombings and attacks on several other countries' diplomatic missions, not to mention the previous attacks on the Benghazi site. Perhaps you should become familiar with more than just the talking points.

    Timeline of Libya consulate attack reveals administration contradictions - The Hill's Global Affairs
    Um, your link does not support your claim that Stevens requested increased sequrity at Benghazi.

    Did you read it?



    No, Clinton and the WH staff. Nice try, though.
    Uh, Clinton works at the SoS offices....duh.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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