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    Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged

    But the guys who voted for it and promoted it are in the House.

    Oh yeah. It was guys like Issa. I understand.
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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Bush isn't President.
    Yeah.....Plus they need to realize about such an argument. As if 2 wrongs can make it Right. Deflecting to Bush still doesn't explain what went wrong with Benghazi.

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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the Benghazi conspiracy nonsense was invented by fox as a tool to help Romney. though it didn't work with the general public because fox has no credibility, it sold pretty well to Fox's viewers, so apparently they're still running with it. both sides expose tragedy for political gain, and it's slimy.
    Yep... its right up there with truther and birther conspiracies.

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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Yep... its right up there with truther and birther conspiracies.
    Nah, that's only what the Left wants low Information voters to think.....then they will throw in an Obama-Phone with such In Pre text form so they can always send that message out. Tricky lil guys aren't they.

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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Nah, that's only what the Left wants low Information voters to think.....then they will throw in an Obama-Phone with such In Pre text form so they can always send that message out. Tricky lil guys aren't they.
    Then you should have followed the facts of Benghazi more closely.. Forget the changing narrative... they were learning about what happened in bits and pieces.. so the conspiracy theorists have glomed on to the early discrepancies for political purposes.

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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Then you should have followed the facts of Benghazi more closely.. Forget the changing narrative... they were learning about what happened in bits and pieces.. so the conspiracy theorists have glomed on to the early discrepancies for political purposes.
    This doesn't explain away any negligence nor incompetency.....nor does it explain why after 8 months. Not one person has been held accountable. Nor has any been brought to justice. Nor why Obama has tried to change talking points by using an argument of it is an ongoing process. Which changes nothing about Clintons Incompetence. Nor what Team Obama started out with.

    Moreover I have followed Benghazi from the beginning.....perhaps when you can come up with something for Team Obama other than they were learning in bits and pieces.
    Especially since the CIA and Intelligence Knew.....as they are now stating. Course now with the FBI saying the same thing tends to lend credibility to what the CIA is saying.

    Which means they Knew even before the attack even took place.

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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Congress released some more transcripts of interviews with the whistleblowers from last month. Public testimony is later this week.



    After Libya's prime minister called to tell him Stevens had died, Hicks said, “The Libyan military agreed to fly their C130 to Benghazi and carry additional personnel to Benghazi as reinforcements. But as the special forces team headed to the airport, Hicks said, they got a phone call from Special Operations Command Africa saying “you can't go now; you don't have authority to go now.”

    Read more: Diplomat claims US forces told to stand down in Benghazi - The Hill's Global Affairs
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    “I believe that if we had been able to scramble a fighter or aircraft or two over Benghazi as quickly as possible after the attack commenced, I believe there would not have been a mortar attack on the annex in the morning because I believe the Libyans would have split,” Hicks said. “They would have been scared to death that we would have gotten a laser on them and killed them.”

    Read more: Diplomat claims US forces told to stand down in Benghazi - The Hill's Global Affairs
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    Seems like theres 3 issues here.

    1. failure to prevent the attack
    2. failure to defend the embassy once the attack was under way
    3. a misinformation campaign to avoid blame

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    Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged

    Could it be that no one is being held accountable because it may be Congress that is responsible for cutting the security budget for Embassies (and Congress rarely blames itself, especially the GOP House)?
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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Could it be that no one is being held accountable because it may be Congress that is responsible for cutting the security budget for Embassies (and Congress rarely blames itself, especially the GOP House)?
    No not really.....not since Politi-fact, Fact Check. Org, and Politico all validated that it stemmed back to Obama's budget. Which then noted that both Dems and Repubs voted to do so with Security. Then re-appropriated funds to make up any difference.

    One -- which was noted by several fact-checkers in the aftermath of the debate -- is that Ryan, as the chairman of the House Budget Committee, put forward such severe cuts in his budget proposal that, running the numbers, embassy security funding would suffer a cut of $300 million.

    The second was was to compare the relevant budget lines in the president’s proposed fiscal year 2012 budget to the amount passed by the House of Representatives last year.

    We’ll look at both of these justifications, but first, let’s outline what Obama proposed for fiscal year 2012 (figures are rounded):

    Worldwide Security Protection (ongoing operations): $1.45 billion
    Worldwide Security Protection (overseas contingency operations): $247 million
    Embassy Security, Construction, and Maintenance -- Worldwide Security Upgrades: $938 million

    Total: $2.64 billion

    Cuts in spending already passed by Congress

    Using the second justification -- comparing Obama’s request to what the GOP-controlled House voted to spend for fiscal year 2012 -- has the advantage of not being speculative. Here’s the amount passed by the House for fiscal 2012 (figures also rounded):

    Worldwide Security Protection (ongoing operations): $1.31 billion
    Worldwide Security Protection (overseas contigency operations): $247 million
    Embassy Security, Construction, and Maintenance -- Worldwide Security Upgrades: $755 million

    Total: $2.31 billion

    The difference between these two amounts is nearly $327 million -- a bit above the $300 million Biden cited.

    Ultimately, a final bill with slightly higher amounts than the House’s initial bill -- about $60 million more -- was passed by both chambers and signed by the president.

    But this approach has problems as well. For starters, Biden glosses over the fact that the president did ultimately sign the bill with the new lower funding amount, meaning he shares some responsibility for the lower level. (All presidential budget requests are opening offers that inevitably become subject to negotiation.)

    The main problem with Biden’s claim, however, is that it’s not really what he was referring to in his claim from the debate. Biden said Ryan "cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for," but what passed the House wasn’t Ryan’s budget blueprint -- it was an actual spending bill that emerged from the House Appropriations Committee.....snip~

    PolitiFact | Joe Biden says Paul Ryan cut embassy security by $300 million

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    Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged

    While its nice to pretend that when the President signs a budget it's 'his' budget, it doesn't really work that way.

    And the Biden thing (and Dem congressmen) is just firing back politically- they're pointing our that if the GODp had their way, security would be even worse.

    Here's a nice article taking the issue out of the political circus realm.

    http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde...ghazi-tragedy/
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