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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Sarcogito. If working for the State Dept and members of Congress ask for volunteer testimony. Can those in the Dept just volunteer to testify? Do they sign any documents concerning legal liabilities?
    I personally am not State Department, I am a military attaché, though in my line of work I work with more State Department people than DoD. But yes, all of us with clearances sign non-disclosure agreements.

    In fact, I am looking at a non-disclosure agreement right now. Let’s see, it prohibits the UNAUTHORIZED disclosure of classified information and unclassified information that is under the process of classification determination. Before one can disclose such information they must verify the recipient has been properly authorized by the United States Government to receive it. It states one can be terminated, or under certain cases, face criminal prosecution for breaking the agreement.

    So obviously a problem arises when one branch of the government requests the information and another branch says no. Practically speaking, we are employees of the Executive Branch and it is the Executive Branch that grants, and can take, our security clearances. Thus it is the Executive Branch that hold sway over our careers. So unless the Judiciary steps in to break the stalemate, the prudent thing is to follow the instructions of the Executive Branch. That said, I respect those who disobey orders on moral grounds, they just have to be willing to face the consequences, and in this case it could mean getting fired or at least doing damage to their careers. I can't imagine they would face criminal charges for cooperating with Congress. Too much bad press.

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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    I personally am not State Department, I am a military attaché, though in my line of work I work with more State Department people than DoD. But yes, all of us with clearances sign non-disclosure agreements.

    In fact, I am looking at a non-disclosure agreement right now. Let’s see, it prohibits the UNAUTHORIZED disclosure of classified information and unclassified information that is under the process of classification determination. Before one can disclose such information they must verify the recipient has been properly authorized by the United States Government to receive it. It states one can be terminated, or under certain cases, face criminal prosecution for breaking the agreement.

    So obviously a problem arises when one branch of the government requests the information and another branch says no. Practically speaking, we are employees of the Executive Branch and it is the Executive Branch that grants, and can take, our security clearances. Thus it is the Executive Branch that hold sway over our careers. So unless the Judiciary steps in to break the stalemate, the prudent thing is to follow the instructions of the Executive Branch. That said, I respect those who disobey orders on moral grounds, they just have to be willing to face the consequences, and in this case it could mean getting fired or at least doing damage to their careers. I can't imagine they would face criminal charges for cooperating with Congress. Too much bad press.
    Yeah.....I kinda figured that was worded in such a way. So there goes the theory that someone on the spur of the moment would jump up and testify without knowing their legal ramifications. Especially if they leaked some sort of classified information. Not knowing they had done so at the time and especially with not having all documentation out there.

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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    I would say that any homosexual who accepts a job in the Middle East needs to be committed. But then that's just my opinion......................
    I have known plenty who do. Status and diplomatic immunity is usually enough to protect them. I have been stationed in places where sacrilege is punishable by law and atheists get thrown in jail. I am an outspoken atheist who has no problem talking about it on my Facebook or on forums like this. Of course I post pseudo anonymously and my comments are my personal opinions and not those of my employer. But still, if not for my diplomatic immunity I COULD get in trouble for those things. But diplomatic immunity can’t protect you from criminals.

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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    I have known plenty who do. Status and diplomatic immunity is usually enough to protect them. I have been stationed in places where sacrilege is punishable by law and atheists get thrown in jail. I am an outspoken atheist who has no problem talking about it on my Facebook or on forums like this. Of course I post pseudo anonymously and my comments are my personal opinions and not those of my employer. But still, if not for my diplomatic immunity I COULD get in trouble for those things. But diplomatic immunity can’t protect you from criminals.


    The naive, the optimistic, the believers in humanity as basically "decent"-------Well, you can count me out of that crowd......................

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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    The naive, the optimistic, the believers in humanity as basically "decent"-------Well, you can count me out of that crowd......................
    And here I was, just about to mail you an application.

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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    And here I was, just about to mail you an application.


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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    I find it ironic.. Most on the right seem to hate whistleblowers...


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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    It sorta makes sense that the current administration might go after any 'whistleblowers'. They have somewhat become famous for going after such people, more so than just about every other administration. Must have something to do with transparency.
    Obama has declared war on whistleblowers.

    Let me just say that for all you partisans trying to either crucify or absolve the persident of all guilt, you need to understand what he is guilty of first. He is guilty of bombing Libya in the first place, which is what caused the security situation in Benghazi.

    All this hair splitting on who signed what document for more security is totally missing the picture. When you destroy a government, including the military and police, it's quite natural for the security situation to rapidly deteriorate. But the partisans seem to be in agreement that the bombing was justified, even though it's what caused this whole mess to begin with. Amazing! Oh well, I guess it just gives them something petty to squabble about while the real issues remain unspoken of anywhere in the media. When was the last term you heard a major news broadcast question the wisdom of this whole little operation in Libya in the first place? The media has been about as useful as they were in the run up to take Baghdad.

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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I find it ironic.. Most on the right seem to hate whistleblowers...
    They are partisans just like you. They lack any kind of principle.

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    re: Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    They are partisans just like you. They lack any kind of principle.
    What party am i partisan for?


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