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    Re: Christie: Obama ‘Has Kept Every Promise He’s Made’ On Sandy Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The problem with Christie is he has no problem using the federal govt to prop up his state. While this is sometimes consistent with the Republican platform, its not consistent with conservatism. We dont want to popularize someone who praises a redistributionist and begs for money national money to solve local problems.
    Sandy was a multi-state disaster. Coordinating relief and rebuilding undoubtedly extends beyond the resources and expertise of those states.

    Not to mention that NY and NJ remit far more in federal taxes than they receive in federal spending. If NJ can't afford to fix this problem on their own, it's because the federal government has been leeching off NJ for years.

    I'd also say that conservatives harping on this point is not going to win you any fans in the NY/NJ region, one of the wealthiest and most populated sections of the US. And sometimes, the public has a long memory....



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    Re: Christie: Obama ‘Has Kept Every Promise He’s Made’ On Sandy Relief

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    Sandy was a multi-state disaster. Coordinating relief and rebuilding undoubtedly extends beyond the resources and expertise of those states.

    Not to mention that NY and NJ remit far more in federal taxes than they receive in federal spending. If NJ can't afford to fix this problem on their own, it's because the federal government has been leeching off NJ for years.

    I'd also say that conservatives harping on this point is not going to win you any fans in the NY/NJ region, one of the wealthiest and most populated sections of the US. And sometimes, the public has a long memory....



    Ahh, for the days when "Dow Down 12" actually meant something...
    Its not about winning fans. Thats exactly my problem with Chrisite. How did he go from taking on unions to begging for disaster aid?

    Fun fact, the GDP of New Jersey is 450 billion. The costs of Sandy cleanup were 40billion, and the federal govt has given them 1.8bn already. Surely NJ can afford to cleanup after itself.

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    Re: Christie: Obama ‘Has Kept Every Promise He’s Made’ On Sandy Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Its not about winning fans. Thats exactly my problem with Chrisite. How did he go from taking on unions to begging for disaster aid?
    He's governing a state that got hit with a massive storm, and doesn't have the resources to fix it. By coordinating with federal agencies and securing federal aid, he is doing his job.


    Fun fact, the GDP of New Jersey is 450 billion. The costs of Sandy cleanup were 40billion, and the federal govt has given them 1.8bn already. Surely NJ can afford to cleanup after itself.
    The state's annual tax revenue is around $32 billion, and the state constitution requires a balanced budget. In many cases, just balancing the budget requires trickery like underfunding state pensions, tax rebate funds and so forth. There's no way NJ can repair all the damage on its own, at least not without imposing a massive tax burden and/or figuring out how to borrow huge sums.

    And as noted, New Jersey remits more in federal taxes than it receives in benefits -- as do most so-called "Blue" states. (Many "red" states, by the way, receive more in federal dollars than they remit in federal taxes...). E.g. in 2007, New Jersey sent $121 billion to Washington, and received $63 billion in spending.

    This is not to say that federal aid is contingent upon tax remittances, only that it's hardly the case that NJ is a big leech on the nation.

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    Re: Christie: Obama ‘Has Kept Every Promise He’s Made’ On Sandy Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    He's governing a state that got hit with a massive storm, and doesn't have the resources to fix it. By coordinating with federal agencies and securing federal aid, he is doing his job.



    The state's annual tax revenue is around $32 billion, and the state constitution requires a balanced budget. In many cases, just balancing the budget requires trickery like underfunding state pensions, tax rebate funds and so forth. There's no way NJ can repair all the damage on its own, at least not without imposing a massive tax burden and/or figuring out how to borrow huge sums.

    And as noted, New Jersey remits more in federal taxes than it receives in benefits -- as do most so-called "Blue" states. (Many "red" states, by the way, receive more in federal dollars than they remit in federal taxes...). E.g. in 2007, New Jersey sent $121 billion to Washington, and received $63 billion in spending.

    This is not to say that federal aid is contingent upon tax remittances, only that it's hardly the case that NJ is a big leech on the nation.
    Irrelevant. Taxes pay for shared defense and justice. There is no expectation of getting that money back directly. Furthermore, NJ CAN repair the damage on its own. THey have the product to borrow huge sums, and Im sure the people would pay extra taxes if they wanted to have the money to deal with disasters. A state should not support using the federal govt to redistribute wealth. A conservative definetly should not, but a Republican might.

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    Re: Christie: Obama ‘Has Kept Every Promise He’s Made’ On Sandy Relief

    "When your neighbours house in on fire you don't haggle over the price of your garden hose".

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    Re: Christie: Obama ‘Has Kept Every Promise He’s Made’ On Sandy Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    "When your neighbours house in on fire you don't haggle over the price of your garden hose".
    This wasnt a fire, it was wind and rain. But to complete your analogy it would be the fire department breaking into your house and taking your hose. Not a neighbor voluntarily helping another neigbor.

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    Re: Christie: Obama ‘Has Kept Every Promise He’s Made’ On Sandy Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    This wasnt a fire, it was wind and rain.
    Metaphors and jonny5 do not mix.

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    Re: Christie: Obama ‘Has Kept Every Promise He’s Made’ On Sandy Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Irrelevant. Taxes pay for shared defense and justice.
    Taxes pay for a lot of things -- including relief and rebuilding.

    As far as I know, Christie has never presented himself as an ultra-conservative. He's a moderate.


    Furthermore, NJ CAN repair the damage on its own. THey have the product to borrow huge sums....
    Doing so would increase the state's debts by about 40%. It could also require amending the state constitution, though I don't know how that would work.


    Im sure the people would pay extra taxes if they wanted to have the money to deal with disasters. A state should not support using the federal govt to redistribute wealth. A conservative definetly should not, but a Republican might.
    No, actually, the federal government ought to step in and help a state that doesn't have sufficient resources.

    Nor is this a matter of "redistributing wealth." No one is saying "take money from the wealthy, and give it to the poor." In fact, it's about amortizing the costs of recovery across the entire US, and as a result the entire nation benefits.

    Plus... it's working. Although the recovery isn't perfect, FEMA is doing a pretty good job this time around -- as one might expect from an administration which actually takes its responsibilities seriously, and recognizes that government is actually good at certain tasks.

    Comments like yours seems like the carpenter who grabs a hammer, and thinks everything is a nail. This is about emergency relief, not conservative talking points. And any governor whose state gets walloped by a massive storm, and gives the President the middle finger for providing assistance, is not helping his or her constituents.

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    Re: Christie: Obama ‘Has Kept Every Promise He’s Made’ On Sandy Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Taxes pay for a lot of things -- including relief and rebuilding.

    As far as I know, Christie has never presented himself as an ultra-conservative. He's a moderate.



    Doing so would increase the state's debts by about 40%. It could also require amending the state constitution, though I don't know how that would work.



    No, actually, the federal government ought to step in and help a state that doesn't have sufficient resources.

    Nor is this a matter of "redistributing wealth." No one is saying "take money from the wealthy, and give it to the poor." In fact, it's about amortizing the costs of recovery across the entire US, and as a result the entire nation benefits.

    Plus... it's working. Although the recovery isn't perfect, FEMA is doing a pretty good job this time around -- as one might expect from an administration which actually takes its responsibilities seriously, and recognizes that government is actually good at certain tasks.

    Comments like yours seems like the carpenter who grabs a hammer, and thinks everything is a nail. This is about emergency relief, not conservative talking points. And any governor whose state gets walloped by a massive storm, and gives the President the middle finger for providing assistance, is not helping his or her constituents.
    I dont read split quotes.

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    Re: Christie: Obama ‘Has Kept Every Promise He’s Made’ On Sandy Relief

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I dont read split quotes.
    That's not my problem.

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