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    Red Line Crossed: Hagel, Kerry Say Syria Has Used Chemical Weapons.....

    OOOPS THERE IT IS!

    The Obama administration drew a "red line" in the sand months ago with the Assad regime in Damascus: If they were to use WMD's during their nation's civil war, the United States would intervene militarily. The president himself said the deployment of such weapons would represent a "game-changer." The British, French, and Israelis have all concluded that chemical weapons have been deployed, and now top US officials are co-signing that assessment. The Secretary of State:



    Josh Lederman @joshledermanAP
    WASHINGTON (AP) Secretary of State John Kerry says Syrian regime launched 2 chemical attacks.

    And the Secretary of Defense:

    U.S. intelligence has concluded "with some degree of varying confidence," that the Syrian government has used sarin gas as a weapon in its 2-year-old civil war, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Thursday. Hagel, speaking to reporters in Abu Dhabi, said the White House has informed two senators by letter that, within the past day, "our intelligence community does assess, with varying degrees of confidence, that the Syrian regime has used chemical weapons on a small scale in Syria, specifically, the chemical agent sarin." "It violates every convention of warfare," Hagel said

    Once any President of the United States has established a clear line that cannot be crossed, he must follow-through on his threats if they're not heeded. American credibility is at stake; it's already been bruised in Syria. How long has it been since our Secretary of State pronounced that Assad "must go"? Answer: More than one full year. But if we do intervene, who's to say that we'd be helping the right side?.....snip~

    Red Line Crossed: Hagel, Kerry Say Syria Has Used Chemical Weapons - Guy Benson

    It would appear Syria has crossed Obama's line in the Sand. Does he now engage us into Syria? What will be the consequences if he jumps and commits us? Thoughts?

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    Re: Red Line Crossed: Hagel, Kerry Say Syria Has Used Chemical Weapons.....

    I wonder what kind of message not committing us would send. Definitely a tough situation.
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    Re: Red Line Crossed: Hagel, Kerry Say Syria Has Used Chemical Weapons.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    OOOPS THERE IT IS!

    The Obama administration drew a "red line" in the sand months ago with the Assad regime in Damascus: If they were to use WMD's during their nation's civil war, the United States would intervene militarily. The president himself said the deployment of such weapons would represent a "game-changer." The British, French, and Israelis have all concluded that chemical weapons have been deployed, and now top US officials are co-signing that assessment. The Secretary of State:



    Josh Lederman @joshledermanAP
    WASHINGTON (AP) — Secretary of State John Kerry says Syrian regime launched 2 chemical attacks.

    And the Secretary of Defense:

    U.S. intelligence has concluded "with some degree of varying confidence," that the Syrian government has used sarin gas as a weapon in its 2-year-old civil war, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Thursday. Hagel, speaking to reporters in Abu Dhabi, said the White House has informed two senators by letter that, within the past day, "our intelligence community does assess, with varying degrees of confidence, that the Syrian regime has used chemical weapons on a small scale in Syria, specifically, the chemical agent sarin." "It violates every convention of warfare," Hagel said

    Once any President of the United States has established a clear line that cannot be crossed, he must follow-through on his threats if they're not heeded. American credibility is at stake; it's already been bruised in Syria. How long has it been since our Secretary of State pronounced that Assad "must go"? Answer: More than one full year. But if we do intervene, who's to say that we'd be helping the right side?.....snip~

    Red Line Crossed: Hagel, Kerry Say Syria Has Used Chemical Weapons - Guy Benson

    It would appear Syria has crossed Obama's line in the Sand. Does he now engage us into Syria? What will be the consequences if he jumps and commits us? Thoughts?
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    Re: Red Line Crossed: Hagel, Kerry Say Syria Has Used Chemical Weapons.....

    I imagine we will send some aircraft and blow some stuff up. Hopefully no boots on the ground.
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    I hate it. Damned if you damned if you dont.

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    middle east should become a parking lot!

    We gotta get Medusa out before we make it

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    Re: Red Line Crossed: Hagel, Kerry Say Syria Has Used Chemical Weapons.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    I wonder what kind of message not committing us would send. Definitely a tough situation.
    29 oppositons groups have already signed pledges to defy us and back Al Nusra ......they state they will implement sharia law. Yet Christians will not have anything to fear. Civillian committees have signed on to back Al Nusra and the FSA has told all in their ranks to support all Al Nusra operations.

    We just gave these Sunni rebels 188 million with the last 2 months. The Suad and Qatarians are providing weapons for them thru Turkey.

    Why should we get involve.....let the Sunni Arabs pay for their war and let them be the one to go and shed their blood. Let them be the one to keep on subjugating and systematically kill the Shi'te and the Zaydi. Let them go down in history for doing such.

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    Re: Red Line Crossed: Hagel, Kerry Say Syria Has Used Chemical Weapons.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    29 oppositons groups have already signed pledges to defy us and back Al Nusra ......they state they will implement sharia law. Yet Christians will not have anything to fear. Civillian committees have signed on to back Al Nusra and the FSA has told all in their ranks to support all Al Nusra operations.

    We just gave these Sunni rebels 188 million with the last 2 months. The Suad and Qatarians are providing weapons for them thru Turkey.

    Why should we get involve.....let the Sunni Arabs pay for their war and let them be the one to go and shed their blood. Let them be the one to keep on subjugating and systematically kill the Shi'te and the Zaydi. Let them go down in history for doing such.
    The motivation behind getting involved would be to influence the future of Syria, to hopefully ensure a friendly or at least not hostile government, preferably also not in bed with Iran, establishes itself there. Additionally we'd also like to make sure those chemical and biological weapons don't fall into the hands of people we'd really rather not have them. Now I'm not saying we should get involved for these reasons, but if we were to get involved this would be why.

    Also Obama never said exactly what crossing the 'red line' would mean, he said it would change his way of thinking and approaching the problem but he didn't commit to any course of action, that's smart.

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    Re: Red Line Crossed: Hagel, Kerry Say Syria Has Used Chemical Weapons.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The motivation behind getting involved would be to influence the future of Syria, to hopefully ensure a friendly or at least not hostile government, preferably also not in bed with Iran, establishes itself there. Additionally we'd also like to make sure those chemical and biological weapons don't fall into the hands of people we'd really rather not have them. Now I'm not saying we should get involved for these reasons, but if we were to get involved this would be why.

    Also Obama never said exactly what crossing the 'red line' would mean, he said it would change his way of thinking and approaching the problem but he didn't commit to any course of action, that's smart.
    Obama stated it would be a Game Changer.....none mistook what he meant by that tho. So what else could he have meant. We already have Sanctions on them and are funding them plus supplying them weapons on the sly. Plus we have no negotiations from them.

    Kerry wants commitment by others.....but whats makes this different than any thing else that comes with our policy. Everyone else before Kerry has said the same thing. So who will commit?

    I guarantee you one thing.....It wont be the Saud and the Qatarians. They tend to not like putting themselves on the line for most anything.

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    Re: Red Line Crossed: Hagel, Kerry Say Syria Has Used Chemical Weapons.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Obama stated it would be a Game Changer.....none mistook what he meant by that tho. So what else could he have meant. We already have Sanctions on them and are funding them plus supplying them weapons on the sly. Plus we have no negotiations from them.

    Kerry wants commitment by others.....but whats makes this different than any thing else that comes with our policy. Everyone else before Kerry has said the same thing. So who will commit?

    I guarantee you one thing.....It wont be the Saud and the Qatarians. They tend to not like putting themselves on the line for most anything.
    We aren't supplying weapons to the rebels, and "game changer" could mean lots of things, we'll have to see what it means.

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    Re: Red Line Crossed: Hagel, Kerry Say Syria Has Used Chemical Weapons.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    We aren't supplying weapons to the rebels, and "game changer" could mean lots of things, we'll have to see what it means.
    Did you mean.....that it can't be proved that we are supplying weapons to the Syrians. We already know about the Libyan freighter that showed up off the Cost of Syria. The Week Prior to the Libyan Consulate attack. Moreover we know Stevens was meeting with the Turkish Envoy in Libya when most others had pulled all their Ambassadors out of Libya. Moreover Right before the Attack.

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    Re: Red Line Crossed: Hagel, Kerry Say Syria Has Used Chemical Weapons.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Did you mean.....that it can't be proved that we are supplying weapons to the Syrians. We already know about the Libyan freighter that showed up off the Cost of Syria. The Week Prior to the Libyan Consulate attack. Moreover we know Stevens was meeting with the Turkish Envoy in Libya when most others had pulled all their Ambassadors out of Libya. Moreover Right before the Attack.
    Right it can't be proved and until it can there's no reason anyone should believe we are, don't tell me you're going to believe something you yourself said isn't proven? And I don't know if you know but Libya is awash with weapons, some of them appearing somewhere is not all that surprising.

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