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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

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    you would then prefer to a world where gaddafi and mubarak again ruled
    Mubaraks existence was dependent upon us in the first place. And yes, the world was much better off with Gaddafi in power.

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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, well I haven't seen those Committees release any of those documents out to the public. Plus Issa already told CIA to get their Lawyers ready. Now that's a Separate Committee. Not to mention this does not take away the blame that even for the fiscal year with the budget Obama had set up for Overseas protections was reduced. That was validated by Politifact when they said the Republicans cut funding for Security. Which was nothing but a deflection by the Democrats as they voted to cut the security too.

    So both Obama and Hillary knew security was being cut. Which was before the first attack in March on the consulate. then Security was reduced again after that attack. Which none can say Hillary did not know.
    Again, who is arguing that Clinton knew nothing about the reduction in security? Where has she ever said that? You have a very good point if she did say that, but I can't find any where where she actually said that.
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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    Whatever, point stands.
    I don't particularly care about your point. I just don't like the silly assumption that Muslim Nation = Middle East.
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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Seems Hot Air and CBS did.

    CBS News ticks down the three major findings of House Republicans' interim report (numerals mine):

    (1) The committees' Republicans conclude that Clinton approved security reductions at the consulate, pointing to evidence such as an April 2012 State Department cable bearing her signature. The cable was a formal request from then-U.S. Ambassador to Libya Gene Cretz for more security. In her testimony before Congress in January, Clinton said, "With specific security requests they didn't come to me. I had no knowledge of them."

    (2) The interim report also charges that White House and senior State Department officials attempted to protect the State Department from criticism by altering accurate talking points drafted by the intelligence community. For instance, the report says that, after a Sept. 15, 2012 meeting, administration officials removed references to the likely participation of Islamic extremists.

    (3) The report also contradicts administration claims that the talking points were changed to protect classified information. None of the email exchanges reviewed ever mentioned a concern about classified information, according to the report.
    Its seems as though this information didn't refute anything my link had and I note you didn't supply a link to the CBS Report, is the something in that report you don't want seen?


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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    As far as I know she said she wasn't aware of a request from that embassy for increased security. That is not the same thing as her knowing that the budget had been cut on embassy security in general. One request came from other sections of government, decreasing the budget and lessening security (something very popular amongst Republicans before the attack occurred) and another cam from the actual embassy. It seems like you are talking about them together and confusing the issue.

    I'll get to the rest of your comment, but I wanted to find out what you meant by this part.

    Can you point me to where she claimed that she was unaware of the reduction of security levels? I haven't heard this before. I believe she said she was unaware of the embassies request for added security, and I'm fairly sure she did not say that she was unaware of any reductions in security. Again, I think you are confusing the requests for reduction with the requests from the embassy for added security.

    They stated there was a reduction in security from March to the Dec attack. That was the finding of separate committees. Also we know the Commander of the 17th brigade in Libya Providing Security for that Region of Libyan and Benghazi warned Clinton's People 3 days in Advance that things were to dangerous to conduct foreign business in Benghazi. That they felt there was not enough Security.

    The report established that the attack on the US mission on 11 September 2012 involved "arson, small arms and machine gun fire, and the use of RPGs, grenades, and mortars."

    "Systemic failures and leadership and management deficiencies at senior levels within two bureaus of the State Department resulted in a Special Mission security posture that was inadequate for Benghazi and grossly inadequate to deal with the attack that took place," the report found.

    State department budget shortfalls were one obstacle to reinforcing security at diplomatic outposts worldwide, the report said.

    She was replying to the first question from a Republican. A moment four months in coming.

    Senator Corker says, "to my knowledge, no one was held accountable." "These officials [on the ground in Benghazi] were screaming out for more security," he says.

    He asks Clinton to mention one reform that would have fixed the lack of communication about the security situation in Benghazi.

    "The specific security requests" on Benghazi were handled by security professionals, Clinton says, and she never reviewed them.
    She was replying to the first question from a Republican. A moment four months in coming.

    Clinton replies that the two have a "simple disagreement." She says the state department followed protocol in handling an unfolding security crisis.

    Then she turns the conversation to budget issues. She says Congressional holds had been placed on money for the mission in Libya. "We have got to get our act together between the administration and Congress... we have to work together," she says.

    Hillary Clinton is about to appear before a House committee to continue her testimony on the Benghazi attack and US anti-terror strategy in the region.

    Michael T. McCaul of Texas is grilling Clinton about why she didn't know about cables from Libya asking for additional security for the Benghazi mission.

    "Was this cable a surprise to you?" he says. "When you have a US ambassador personally warning [about security]?"

    Clinton says there are 1.43m cables that come to the state department every year "and they're all addressed to me."

    McCaul: "This cable went unnoticed by your office, and that's the bottom line.".....snip~

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...-benghazi-live

    The UK's Guardian Play by play of Clinton's hearings and by Time and response.

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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I don't particularly care about your point.
    That was obvious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case
    I just don't like the silly assumption that Muslim Nation = Middle East.
    I didn't make that assumption, I've been to both areas in question plus Central Asia. It was a mistake.

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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    I didn't make that assumption, I've been to both areas in question plus Central Asia. It was a mistake.
    A mistake based on what, exactly, if not that assumption?
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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Its seems as though this information didn't refute anything my link had and I note you didn't supply a link to the CBS Report, is the something in that report you don't want seen?
    If you would have read the other link you would have noticed it referenced in the piece. But here it is in it's original. Although I doubt you will find any difference.

    House GOP faults Clinton, State Dept for Benghazi security - CBS News

    And from the report’s executive summary on the ongoing Congressional investigation’s several determinations to date, which “illustrate the need for continued examination and oversight by the five House Committees”:


    -Reductions of security levels prior to the attacks in Benghazi were approved at the highest levels of the State Department, up to and including Secretary Clinton. This fact contradicts her testimony before the House Foreign Affairs Committee on January 23, 2013.

    -In the days following the attacks, White House and senior State Department officials altered accurate talking points drafted by the Intelligence Community in order to protect the State Department.

    -Contrary to Administration rhetoric, the talking points were not edited to protect classified information. Concern for classified information is never mentioned in email traffic among senior Administration officials.

    The problem there, however, is that there’s a chance Hillary’s political cred isn’t the unassailable fortress of awesome that some might presume, especially if the “highest levels of the state department,” cough cough, were willfully negligent about providing adequate security to the consulate:


    After the U.S.-backed Libyan revolution ended the Gadhafi regime, the U.S. government did not deploy sufficient U.S. security elements to protect U.S. interests and personnel that remained on the ground. Senior State Department officials knew that the threat environment in Benghazi was high and that the Benghazi compound was vulnerable and unable to withstand an attack, yet the department continued to systematically withdraw security personnel. Repeated requests for additional security were denied at the highest levels of the State Department. For example, an April 2012 State Department cable bearing Secretary Hillary Clinton’s signature acknowledged then-Ambassador Cretz’s formal request for additional security assets but ordered the withdrawal of security elements to proceed as planned.....snip~

    House GOP releases report on Benghazi investigation, faulting Clinton Hot Air

    But seeing here that Hot Air does and with CBS.....I would think so!

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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    They stated there was a reduction in security from March to the Dec attack. That was the finding of separate committees. Also we know the Commander of the 17th brigade in Libya Providing Security for that Region of Libyan and Benghazi warned Clinton's People 3 days in Advance that things were to dangerous to conduct foreign business in Benghazi. That they felt there was not enough Security.

    The report established that the attack on the US mission on 11 September 2012 involved "arson, small arms and machine gun fire, and the use of RPGs, grenades, and mortars."

    "Systemic failures and leadership and management deficiencies at senior levels within two bureaus of the State Department resulted in a Special Mission security posture that was inadequate for Benghazi and grossly inadequate to deal with the attack that took place," the report found.

    State department budget shortfalls were one obstacle to reinforcing security at diplomatic outposts worldwide, the report said.

    She was replying to the first question from a Republican. A moment four months in coming.

    Senator Corker says, "to my knowledge, no one was held accountable." "These officials [on the ground in Benghazi] were screaming out for more security," he says.

    He asks Clinton to mention one reform that would have fixed the lack of communication about the security situation in Benghazi.

    "The specific security requests" on Benghazi were handled by security professionals, Clinton says, and she never reviewed them.
    She was replying to the first question from a Republican. A moment four months in coming.

    Clinton replies that the two have a "simple disagreement." She says the state department followed protocol in handling an unfolding security crisis.

    Then she turns the conversation to budget issues. She says Congressional holds had been placed on money for the mission in Libya. "We have got to get our act together between the administration and Congress... we have to work together," she says.

    Hillary Clinton is about to appear before a House committee to continue her testimony on the Benghazi attack and US anti-terror strategy in the region.

    Michael T. McCaul of Texas is grilling Clinton about why she didn't know about cables from Libya asking for additional security for the Benghazi mission.

    "Was this cable a surprise to you?" he says. "When you have a US ambassador personally warning [about security]?"

    Clinton says there are 1.43m cables that come to the state department every year "and they're all addressed to me."

    McCaul: "This cable went unnoticed by your office, and that's the bottom line.".....snip~

    Hillary Clinton testifies before House committee on Benghazi

    The UK's Guardian Play by play of Clinton's hearings and by Time and response.
    The only thing that she said, in your entire post, was a surprise to her was the cable for additional security. My comment was directly aimed at your assertion:

    -Reductions of security levels prior to the attacks in Benghazi were approved at the highest levels of the State Department, up to and including Secretary Clinton. This fact contradicts her testimony before the House Foreign Affairs Committee on January 23, 2013.
    You did nothing to show this. You only talked about her testimony that she didn't see the cable about additional security. At no point, that I can find, has she ever made the claim that she knew nothing of the reduction of security, as you argued.
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    The only thing that she said, in your entire post, was a surprise to her was the cable for additional security. My comment was directly aimed at your assertion:



    You did nothing to show this. You only talked about her testimony that she didn't see the cable about additional security. At no point, that I can find, has she ever made the claim that she knew nothing of the reduction of security, as you argued.
    Look at the Post above this one.....note Personally Warned and Note: But ordered the Withdrawal of Security to Proceed as Planned. Which was in the Post I gave you prior to that one you have now.

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