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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Hilary is responsible but not for the reason that dumb Republicans think.

    The reason she is responsible is because of her responsibility for the bombing of Libya in the first place, which means she is responsible for the (lack of) security situation.

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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Actually

    Q: Do you see any evidence that he [Gaddafi] actually has fired on his own people from the air? There were reports of it, but do you have independent confirmation? If so, to what extent?

    SEC. GATES: We’ve seen the press reports, but we have no confirmation of that.

    ADM. MULLEN: That’s correct. We’ve seen no confirmation whatsoever.

    Source: Defense.gov News Transcript: DOD News Briefing with Secretary Gates and Adm. Mullen from the Pentagon

    Look here as well: Russia Intel Satelite shows Gaddafi Did NOT Attack His People - YouTube

    And this:

    Human rights organisations have cast doubt on claims of mass rape and other abuses perpetrated by forces loyal to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, which have been widely used to justify Nato's war in Libya.

    Nato leaders, opposition groups and the media have produced a stream of stories since the start of the insurrection on 15 February, claiming the Gaddafi regime has ordered mass rapes, used foreign mercenaries and employed helicopters against civilian protesters.

    An investigation by Amnesty International has failed to find evidence for these human rights violations and in many cases has discredited or cast doubt on them. It also found indications that on several occasions the rebels in Benghazi appeared to have knowingly made false claims or manufactured evidence.

    Source: Amnesty questions claim that Gaddafi ordered rape as weapon of war - Africa - World - The Independent

    I don't like Gaddafi, but if we are gonna slam him on something, let's slam him on things that are the truth such as his human rights abuses (Factbox: Gaddafi rule marked by abuses, rights groups say | Reuters)
    There is plenty of evidence of Gaddafi bombin' his own people. He also used cluster bombs and ground to ground missiles.

    Why do you think a no-fly zone was initiated? Just to make it look like he was using the airforce? I remember 6 days, while I was in the Kenya, while he obliterated civilians with the airforce before the no-fly was enacted.
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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    But the Libya & Egypt adventures worked out so well for us ...

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    you would then prefer to a world where gaddafi and mubarak again ruled
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    perhaps Hillary should have put a stop to everyone using her signature. Wouldn't that have been the smart thing to do?

    It means her signature has no value whatsoever, and she freely admits it on order to get out of a scrape.
    I still haven't seen anywhere if it is actually her signature, or of it's like a stamp or a scan of her signature just for official purposes. I agree with you in general though that there needs to be a system in place to where we can know what they knew when they knew it. Regardless, I was just giving the reason that we can't jump to the automatic conclusion that some are leaping to in this thread.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I still haven't seen anywhere if it is actually her signature, or of it's like a stamp or a scan of her signature just for official purposes. I agree with you in general though that there needs to be a system in place to where we can know what they knew when they knew it. Regardless, I was just giving the reason that we can't jump to the automatic conclusion that some are leaping to in this thread.
    this is just one of the methods to maintain plausible deniability
    doesn't matter the party of the practitioner
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There is plenty of evidence of Gaddafi bombin' his own people. He also used cluster bombs and ground to ground missiles.

    Why do you think a no-fly zone was initiated? Just to make it look like he was using the airforce? I remember 6 days, while I was in the Kenya, while he obliterated civilians with the airforce before the no-fly was enacted.
    Can I see that evidence if at all possible? As well as the ground missiles?
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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you would then prefer to a world where gaddafi and mubarak again ruled
    Absolutely. Of course. Khaddafi was being kept in his box and Mubarek was no danger to anyone outside Egypt.
    Not only did we help install radical muslim control but we're paying to keep them there.
    Yeah ... it was better before.

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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I still haven't seen anywhere if it is actually her signature, or of it's like a stamp or a scan of her signature just for official purposes. I agree with you in general though that there needs to be a system in place to where we can know what they knew when they knew it. Regardless, I was just giving the reason that we can't jump to the automatic conclusion that some are leaping to in this thread.
    Yeah, well I haven't seen those Committees release any of those documents out to the public. Plus Issa already told CIA to get their Lawyers ready. Now that's a Separate Committee. Not to mention this does not take away the blame that even for the fiscal year with the budget Obama had set up for Overseas protections was reduced. That was validated by Politifact when they said the Republicans cut funding for Security. Which was nothing but a deflection by the Democrats as they voted to cut the security too.

    So both Obama and Hillary knew security was being cut. Which was before the first attack in March on the consulate. then Security was reduced again after that attack. Which none can say Hillary did not know.

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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    Hilary is responsible but not for the reason that dumb Republicans think.

    The reason she is responsible is because of her responsibility for the bombing of Libya in the first place, which means she is responsible for the (lack of) security situation.
    See, you've got it wrong. We were told right away that this was due to a YouTube video. They wouldn't lie about this.

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    Re: Benghazi Bombshell Drops On Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, for one Hillary cannot state under Oath that she had no knowledge of any Specific security requests and then Later testify that she receives 1000 of requests and pieces of mail that come across her desk. Moreover she has a budget that she has to go thru and in this case was keenly aware that she had signed off on lessening security for that Specific Consulate.
    As far as I know she said she wasn't aware of a request from that embassy for increased security. That is not the same thing as her knowing that the budget had been cut on embassy security in general. One request came from other sections of government, decreasing the budget and lessening security (something very popular amongst Republicans before the attack occurred) and another cam from the actual embassy. It seems like you are talking about them together and confusing the issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    -Reductions of security levels prior to the attacks in Benghazi were approved at the highest levels of the State Department, up to and including Secretary Clinton. This fact contradicts her testimony before the House Foreign Affairs Committee on January 23, 2013.
    I'll get to the rest of your comment, but I wanted to find out what you meant by this part.

    Can you point me to where she claimed that she was unaware of the reduction of security levels? I haven't heard this before. I believe she said she was unaware of the embassies request for added security, and I'm fairly sure she did not say that she was unaware of any reductions in security. Again, I think you are confusing the requests for reduction with the requests from the embassy for added security.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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