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Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medicine

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I hope that these parents pay for their phony religious beliefs. I mean, how can you not take your child to the doctor for medical treatment? :(
This is their second death.



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Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medicine

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A couple serving probation for the 2009 death of their toddler after they turned to prayer instead of a doctor could face new charges now that another son has died.
Herbert and Catherine Schaible belong to a fundamentalist Christian church that believes in faith healing. They lost their 8-month-old son, Brandon, last week after he suffered from diarrhea and breathing problems for at least a week, and stopped eating. Four years ago, another son died from bacterial pneumonia.
Prosecutors said Tuesday that a decision on charges will be made after they get the results of an autopsy.
Catherine Schaible's attorney, Mythri Jayaraman, cautioned against a rush to judgment, and said the couple are good parents deeply distraught over the loss of another child.
 
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I think I'll rush to judgement anyway and call these people murderers.
 
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They were already on probation from the first death, and were required to take their surviving children for regular checkups, which they failed to do. Lock them up, and the rest of the kids might live to adulthood.
 
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madman said:
I hope that these parents pay for their phony religious beliefs. I mean, how can you not take your child to the doctor for medical treatment? :(
This is their second death.



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Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medicine

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A couple serving probation for the 2009 death of their toddler after they turned to prayer instead of a doctor could face new charges now that another son has died.
Herbert and Catherine Schaible belong to a fundamentalist Christian church that believes in faith healing. They lost their 8-month-old son, Brandon, last week after he suffered from diarrhea and breathing problems for at least a week, and stopped eating. Four years ago, another son died from bacterial pneumonia.
Prosecutors said Tuesday that a decision on charges will be made after they get the results of an autopsy.
Catherine Schaible's attorney, Mythri Jayaraman, cautioned against a rush to judgment, and said the couple are good parents deeply distraught over the loss of another child.
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I disagree with their belief against medical treatment, but it isn't my place to tell them what to believe.

The argument on whether to allow them to deny medical treatement to their child is a more sticky problem. I have some sympathy for them, but a child dying from something that could probably have been readily cured by modern medicine is pretty appalling. If the child was old enough to articulate whether he wished to adhere to his parent's beliefs of be treated, that would be a bit different, but in both cases they were too young to do so.

While I am very reluctant to let the State intervene in the parent-child relationship, it can be argued that this amounts to negligence at least.

I feel the same way about people who avoid doctors due to a belief that herbs, "holistic" medicine and/or shamanistic practices, acupuncture, whatever... are their preferred treatment... if that's what they want to do as an adult fine, but I have deep reservations about letting a child die for their parent's seemingly irrational beliefs.

It seems a little odd, even suspicious, that they managed to lose TWO small children in four years time, even WITHOUT a doctor... I mean in my family we don't run to the doc for every little thing but losing two in four years seems like either mighty bad luck or suspiciously bad luck...
 
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Manc Skipper said:
They were already on probation from the first death, and were required to take their surviving children for regular checkups, which they failed to do. Lock them up, and the rest of the kids might live to adulthood.
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Theoretically, shouldn't evolution have weeded these nutcases out?
 
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madman said:
I hope that these parents pay for their phony religious beliefs. I mean, how can you not take your child to the doctor for medical treatment? :(
This is their second death.

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Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medicine

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — A couple serving probation for the 2009 death of their toddler after they turned to prayer instead of a doctor could face new charges now that another son has died.
Herbert and Catherine Schaible belong to a fundamentalist Christian church that believes in faith healing. They lost their 8-month-old son, Brandon, last week after he suffered from diarrhea and breathing problems for at least a week, and stopped eating. Four years ago, another son died from bacterial pneumonia.
Prosecutors said Tuesday that a decision on charges will be made after they get the results of an autopsy.
Catherine Schaible's attorney, Mythri Jayaraman, cautioned against a rush to judgment, and said the couple are good parents deeply distraught over the loss of another child.
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Prison time. They are disgusting human beings.

There once was a man who believed in God. He had a home in a small town and he prayed everyday. One day it started to rain, and rain. It rained so much and so hard that the town began to flood, all of the man’s neighbors began to pack up their stuff, and the man began to pray. He prayed for God to save him.
As the man’s house began to fill with water he moved to higher ground in his loft, and he prayed for God to save him.

Not too much later his neighbor rowed over in a boat and pleaded for the man to leave his house and get in the boat. However, the man refused to leave his home. He said, “I have been praying, and I have faith that God will save me.” So his neighbor left.

Soon the water began to fill the loft, so the man moved to higher ground on his roof and he prayed for God to save him.

Not too much later, he saw a raft floating near by. The people in the raft begged him to join them, so that they may find safety together. Again the man refused to leave his home. He said, “I have been praying, and I have faith that God will save me.” So the people left.

Soon the water began to cover the rooftop, and the man had no place left to go, so he prayed and he prayed. Suddenly he heard a helicopter, and saw a long rope ladder in front of him. “Grab on someone yelled, we will save you!” But again the man refused. He said, “I have been praying, and I have faith that God will save me.”

Well needless to say that stubborn man drowned.

When he reached heaven he was very disappointed with God. He asked “Father I just can’t understand, I prayed and prayed, and I had constant faith in you. Why didn’t you save me?” The Lord replied, “My child, I sent you a boat, a raft, and even a helicopter. I tried to save you, it was you who refused to be saved.”
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And many of you are saying, "Yeah, yeah, I've read it before." Well, as ridiculously obvious as this parable is? Two children are dead because their rock-head parents didn't get it.

Jail time. I have no sympathy for them at all.
 
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ReformCollege said:
Theoretically, shouldn't evolution have weeded these nutcases out?
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It did. Those children will not pass on the stupid gene.
 
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Deuce said:
I think I'll rush to judgement anyway and call these people murderers.
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More like religious fanatics, this is hardly an uncommon thing. It's disgusting that we allow these people to get away with murder because it's under the umbrella of religion.
 
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You can question their sanity but you can't question their beliefs. They certainly believe - unfortunately.
 
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Deuce said:
It did. Those children will not pass on the stupid gene.
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How'd they get it in the first place.
 
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They aren't a danger to the community, why should they be jailed?
 
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Cephus said:
More like religious fanatics, this is hardly an uncommon thing. It's disgusting that we allow these people to get away with murder because it's under the umbrella of religion.
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Yet, we go out of our way to mitigate the acts of the religious Islamic terrorist...
 
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hfd said:
Yet, we go out of our way to mitigate the acts of the religious Islamic terrorist...
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No, we go out of our way to make sure people like you don't use a handful of fanatics to take away the first amendment rights of everyone. You might observe that nobody in this thread is suggesting Christians shouldn't be allowed to build churches, or that they should be deported, or whatever.

Maybe some day the right-wingers will figure out the difference.
 
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hfd said:
Yet, we go out of our way to mitigate the acts of the religious Islamic terrorist...
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Speak for yourself, I think all religious lunatics ought to be treated the same and I'm very vocal about it.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
They aren't a danger to the community, why should they be jailed?
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Two counts of murder, maybe?
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
They aren't a danger to the community, why should they be jailed?
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Well, if you consider children to be the personal property of their parents and therefore not possessing any rights at all, then you are correct. Clearly their children did not belong to the 'community', right?
 
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hfd said:
Yet, we go out of our way to mitigate the acts of the religious Islamic terrorist...
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Who does? Who's the 'we' you are referring to?
 
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hfd said:
Yet, we go out of our way to mitigate the acts of the religious Islamic terrorist...
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Who's this "we" you are referring to?
 
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I am up for sterilization of both parents if they don't want jail time. Yes, I guess it is sad that these infants died due to parental neglect, but less pollution to the gene pool and society comes from their parent's negligence. The people who really lost here are actually the parents, and I am cool with just preventing them from reproducing in the future. But if we want to toss them in jail or execute them I can get behind that too. Any thing at all to keep them from breeding.
 
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hfd said:
Yet, we go out of our way to mitigate the acts of the religious Islamic terrorist...
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Did they blow up a national event with lots of people? Nope. this means your point is just an attempt to derail.
 
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Faith healing is so mind-numbingly stupid...

Criminal Negligence at best, destroying my faith in humanity at worse.
 
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No less vile than abortions carried out every day, every hour.

At least their intents were not equally vile as in the case of abortion, however.

So throw em in the clink for murder, right after ever abortion doctor and woman who has had one.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Who's this "we" you are referring to?
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Mostly bleeding heart liberals and the idiot administration in DC...Holder certainly comes to mind...and obviously there are some right here in River City. It ain't blue haired ladies from the Baptist Church who have openly declared war on Western Civilization.You keep believing that all those fun loving Muslims have your best interest at heart. And BTW, I suspect most here ready to throw these parent on the ash heap of history have no problem with women getting abortions for convenience.
 
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Deuce said:
Two counts of murder, maybe?
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So you count inaction to be a reason for murder? I would not have done what they did and I suspect that you would not either, but do we really want to make inaction warrant a charge of murder?
 
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Wiggen said:
Well, if you consider children to be the personal property of their parents and therefore not possessing any rights at all, then you are correct. Clearly their children did not belong to the 'community', right?
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Property, no, but I do consider that a parent is responsible for making decisions on behalf of their children and, unfortunately, they have a right to be wrong. They did not kill their children, but their faith told them that they were doing the right thing on behalf of those children. They were so committed to their faith that it happened again. No, I do not see them as a threat to society and I wouldn't want them babysitting anyone I loved, but how would jailing two grieving parents going to help society? Should they be able to adopt, no, we leave society to be the judge of who can and cannot adopt. Are you in favor of instituting some kind of test to be a parent? Sure, people joke about it but is that really the path we want to go down?
 
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