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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So, there doesn't seem to be a way to ask a polite question and not get an angry, angst & agenda-ridden response?

    Or an actual answer that explains their position?

    Hmm. Damn shame.
    BTW, in addition to the charges of negligence, this couple is also facing charges of actual abuse (ex buring with cigarettes, forcing them to eat large quantities of salt, etc)
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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So, there doesn't seem to be a way to ask a polite question and not get an angry, angst & agenda-ridden response?

    Or an actual answer that explains their position?

    Hmm. Damn shame.
    We're sorry but religion isn't a "get out of jail free" card. It doesn't allow people to violate the law. No one is telling them they can't reasonably exercise their religion, they are telling them that where their religion conflicts with the well-being of their children, their children win.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    I hope that these parents pay for their phony religious beliefs. I mean, how can you not take your child to the doctor for medical treatment?
    Freedom of religion? Whos to say God didnt intend for the child to die, and would have taken him anyway.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There's no religious right to murder your children.
    Murder is a legal term. If there is nothing unlawful about what happened, then its not murder.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Freedom of religion? Whos to say God didnt intend for the child to die, and would have taken him anyway.
    If God wants your child to die, a doctor isn't going to stop him. But that's not your decision to make. You do not get to kill your child. Are you seriously advocating people try and decide what God's will is!? You're not a real Christian.

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    Murder is a legal term. If there is nothing unlawful about what happened, then its not murder.
    Something unlawful did happen. It's not legal to deny your children livesaving medical care.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If God wants your child to die, a doctor isn't going to stop him. But that's not your decision to make. You do not get to kill your child. Are you seriously advocating people try and decide what God's will is!? You're not a real Christian.



    Something unlawful did happen. It's not legal to deny your children livesaving medical care.
    Im not a Christian at all. But I respect freedom even when its not pretty.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Im not a Christian at all. But I respect freedom even when its not pretty.
    You respect freedom to murder children. How about adults? Do you respect my freedom to kill an adult? My religion says I must.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You respect freedom to murder children. How about adults? Do you respect my freedom to kill an adult? My religion says I must.
    Yes, if an adults choice not to take medical treatment is murdering themselves.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Yes, if an adults choice not to take medical treatment is murdering themselves.
    But an adult did not make this decision for themselves. They made this decision for another person. Can I make that decision for you?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    But an adult did not make this decision for themselves. They made this decision for another person. Can I make that decision for you?
    An adult does make decisions about medical treatment for themselves.

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