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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Where is your proof of this? Maybe you should be the one to learn about things like innocent until proven guilty and due process of law.
    Maybe you haven't been paying attention. They've had two children die because they refused to provide medical care for them. What is it you don't understand about that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    And of course your assumptions are absolutely ridiculous.

    OK, we get it, you hate all religious people, most likely because you're an ex-Christian who is pissed off because you were so fooled for so long. But other atheists such as myself are more tolerant of religious folks. We were never fooled in the first place.
    Why are my assumptions 'absolutely ridiculous'? So far, they're two for two in having children die because they refused to provide medical attention for them. And no, I don't hate religious people. I do detest those who's religious beliefs result in dead children, however.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Me

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Are there other beliefs that others have that you decided were dangerous? Should a welfare mother be allowed to have more children even though she cannot support them? Help me where the line is in society pushing its views on the individual.
    The line is right around the point where ones grossly negligent actions (or inaction, in cases where one owes a duty to act) results in the death of another. It ain't rocket science, but it is the law. Conflating that with wellfare policy is ****ing stupid.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Me

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Do you have a list of who qualifies in being "decent folks"?
    Murderers ought to be high on that list.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Murderers ought to be high on that list.
    I didn't think so, you just want to take your standards and apply it on a case by case basis. I understand that, I just don't want it applying with the force of law.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    The line is right around the point where ones grossly negligent actions (or inaction, in cases where one owes a duty to act) results in the death of another. It ain't rocket science, but it is the law. Conflating that with wellfare policy is ****ing stupid.
    I'm more impacted by a welfare mother having another child than she can afford than these parents and their choice which didn't work as they hoped. I'm trying to find out where the line is of what society can force someone to do. Plenty of people have mocked their beliefs. I don't agree with them, but I don't see where it is my place to go against them. Weep all you want for the children but will that solve anything by putting the parents in jail? The other dude wants a bullet in the back of their heads, is that your solution too?

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Good for you in being an Atheist. I don't care.
    That's the problem, they don't care about reality. These parents would rather live in a religious fantasy land and let their kids die rather than open their eyes and realize that prayer is useless. Yet you see a lot of theists who rally around this kind of fundamental stupidity as if it is something admirable.
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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Me

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I'm more impacted by a welfare mother having another child than she can afford than these parents and their choice which didn't work as they hoped. I'm trying to find out where the line is of what society can force someone to do. Plenty of people have mocked their beliefs. I don't agree with them, but I don't see where it is my place to go against them. Weep all you want for the children but will that solve anything by putting the parents in jail? The other dude wants a bullet in the back of their heads, is that your solution too?
    I don't support the death penalty.
    Again: comparing wellfare to criminal law is just plain stupid. There is no "line" on which those two things both exist. Having too many children is not a criminal act. It's stupid and irresponsible, but it's not a criminal act. By contrast, engaging in negligence rising to the level of reckless endangerment of a child in your care - thus causing the death of that child - is at least manslaughter, and possibly 2nd degree murder. What will be solved by putting the parents in jail? The same set of things that're solved by punishing anyone convicted of violating a criminal law.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Me

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I'm more impacted by a welfare mother having another child than she can afford than these parents and their choice
    Yes, and the law is all about protecting you and your interests, and no one else
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    I don't have any issue with any investigation.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    I don't support the death penalty.
    Again: comparing wellfare to criminal law is just plain stupid. There is no "line" on which those two things both exist. Having too many children is not a criminal act. It's stupid and irresponsible, but it's not a criminal act. By contrast, engaging in negligence rising to the level of reckless endangerment of a child in your care - thus causing the death of that child - is at least manslaughter, and possibly 2nd degree murder. What will be solved by putting the parents in jail? The same set of things that're solved by punishing anyone convicted of violating a criminal law.
    Why couldn't it be a criminal act for a welfare mom to have another child. Perhaps an administrative judge puts her on probation and then she has another child. Should society come along and put her in jail since it would be a criminal act?

    I don't see it as a criminal act but you want it to be because of your values, etc. The parents aren't happy their children died and I understand they have others at home. They acted as they saw fit and you disagree that they didn't do anything because that's what you believe. Fine, I just don't want you to have the force of law to do it. Face it, you just want revenge and suck their living children into public welfare.

    Should the parents be allowed to discipline a child in a way you don't agree?
    Should a mother be able to abort a child at any point? (isn't that taking an extreme view of worrying about the interests of others).

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