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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, but as a condition of their parole, they were to take their children for proper medical care regularly and to refrain from faith healing. They failed in that. Shoot them in the head.
    So then its not murder.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    We're just waiting for you to come up with some good reasons besides "I believe in an imaginary friend".
    When did I use that reason? I said that THEY believe that, and they have a right to freely exercise their religion. My personal beliefs have nothing to do with anything.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So then its not murder.
    Abortion isn't murder but pro-life people call it that all the time.

    To put it in more technical turns, I consider these parents guilty of negligent homicide.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    When did I use that reason? I said that THEY believe that, and they have a right to freely exercise their religion. My personal beliefs have nothing to do with anything.
    *NOBODY* gets to use the imaginary friend excuse.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    *NOBODY* gets to use the imaginary friend excuse.
    No clue what youre talking about.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Abortion isn't murder but pro-life people call it that all the time.

    To put it in more technical turns, I consider these parents guilty of negligent homicide.
    Or rather, innocent until proven guilty. But I still think freedom of religion trumps in this case. If we were arguing about a religious belief that god will provide food for a starving child, then I might be more swayed.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Taking children from their parents seems to be all the rage these days. Because we all know that the government is really good at everything it does, why not deciding who should be raising all the children? And how they should be raised, and what they should be raised to believe, and what kind of medical treatment they should get, and so on.

    As for this sad, sad story, I'm going to wait for all the facts to come out. This story is way too pat. I'll leave the hating to the lynch mob we have forming here. Sorry people? I'd say so.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, but as a condition of their parole, they were to take their children for proper medical care regularly and to refrain from faith healing. They failed in that. Shoot them in the head.
    No, you're making stuff up. They were not told that they couldn't pray for their children. They were told to take the children for regular checkups, and they did.

    No parent ever rushes a child to the hospital every time it has diarrhea, and children die all the time despite the best medical care. I prefer to wait and see if medical intervention would have done any good, for one thing, and I'd like to hear the whole story.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Should have been locked up and sterilized after the first kid died.

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    Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Or rather, innocent until proven guilty. But I still think freedom of religion trumps in this case. If we were arguing about a religious belief that god will provide food for a starving child, then I might be more swayed.
    Failing to seek medical care is objectively harmful to a child. You are just plain, provably wrong. The child's odds of survival are vastly higher when medical attention is received. This isn't some question of opinion here, it is absolutely, 100% provable that this is the case.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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