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    Re: Nestle CEO Says Water Is Food That Should Be Privatized

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I guess I would like a list of what everyone considers to be a basic human right. If I dig a well on my property then it is my water. If I grow a tomato then it is mine. How many objectors to what this guy said actually pay a water bill?
    Actually no it isn't. You have to file a claim for that water, the water rights. A great amount of the underground water is owned by someone. Out here rural water districts own most of the underground water. On my farms I am restricted to just residential use, I can't irrigate crops on my own land because I only own the surface rights. Just like oil or coal the underground water doesn't automatically come with surface ownership.

    For that matter the creek that cuts through one of my farms, I own the ground, but have to apply for a water use permit to pump water out of the creek.

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    Re: Nestle CEO Says Water Is Food That Should Be Privatized

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    A person has a right to life, not the materials that sustain life.
    Umm..without those materials then you have no life. So if you have a right to life you have a right to those materials.

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    One must make, find, earn or buy those things that sustain life.
    One has a right to own a gun. Just because you have to make, earn, (or even find) something does not mean that you don't have a Right to it.

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    What right have you to demand that someone pump out and pipe water to you? Who pays for that infrastructure? Who pays for its maintenance? You think you have a right to other people's materials and labor?
    Those that dig the wells, provide the infrastructure to resources such as food, and water isn't really selling a product. They are selling a service. No one here is suggesting that we make, or demand, that someone provide those resources for free. After all, people willingly pay for bottled water all the time and have no problem with it. Because the companies that provides that bottled water took the time to purify and bottle that water for easy access anywhere. That is a service.

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    To anyone with a problem with what the Nestle CEO said: where's your water well?
    Mine is about 100 ft from where I am going to build my house.
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    Re: Nestle CEO Says Water Is Food That Should Be Privatized

    This whole issue just vibes like someone is laying the groundwork to go after Nestle for its anti-Union policies and are just trying to build a head of anti-Nestle steam before they drop that bomb.

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    Re: Nestle CEO Says Water Is Food That Should Be Privatized

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Isn't your assertion contrary to the idea that the water at the bottom of a well is part of the natural world? Aquifers are underground rivers.

    Are you saying that someone with water rights on a property cannot own it? Not sure where you are coming from.
    You have a right to access that water. And if anyone wishes to use the well you built then they have to ask. But in the natural state, land is a common. It is something we all have a right to access. Any denial of access (through land titles and such) should be compensated to the direct community.
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    Re: Nestle CEO Says Water Is Food That Should Be Privatized

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Umm..without those materials then you have no life. So if you have a right to life you have a right to those materials.
    Exactly what vulgar libertarians and conservatives cannot seem to understand. It is a contradiction to say we have a right to life, but no right to access what sustains life.
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    Re: Nestle CEO Says Water Is Food That Should Be Privatized

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You have a right to life, but do not have a right to anything that helps to sustain that life.
    Silliest comment yet.
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    Re: Nestle CEO Says Water Is Food That Should Be Privatized

    He's probably right. Although it's clear he has a very vested interest in such a shift, kind of taints the message.

    He made a similar argument about work. If you want more work, you work more. If you want more water, you work for it more. If it's handed out largely as a public service, it's never going to be efficient. Same arguments are made for health care in the U.S., etc.

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    Re: Nestle CEO Says Water Is Food That Should Be Privatized

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Exactly what vulgar libertarians and conservatives cannot seem to understand. It is a contradiction to say we have a right to life, but no right to access what sustains life.
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    Silliest comment yet.
    My comment was not silly and I'm hardly vulgar for what I said. The right to life deals with actions towards your life from other people, not the resources around you that may or may not be at your disposal.

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    Re: Nestle CEO Says Water Is Food That Should Be Privatized

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    My comment was not silly and I'm hardly vulgar for what I said.
    'Vulgar libertarianism' is a reference to those who act like the existing marketplace is one that closely mimics how a TRUE free market works. Vulgar libertarians think they just because something is privately owned that it is 'justly' owned.



    The right to life deals with actions towards your life from other people, not the resources around you that may or may not be at your disposal.
    There is no point in right to life when you have to ask for permission to use the resources NATURE provides.
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    Re: Nestle CEO Says Water Is Food That Should Be Privatized

    Thus Cain and Abel, were there only two men on earth, might by agreement divide the earth between them. Under this compact each might claim exclusive right to his share as against the other. But neither could rightfully continue such claim against the next child born. For since no one comes into the world without God's permission, his presence attests his equal right to the use of Godís bounty. For them to refuse him any use of the earth which they had divided between them would therefore be for them to commit murder. And for them to refuse him any use of the earth, unless by laboring for them or by giving them part of the products of his labor he bought It of them, would be for them to commit theft. ~ Henry George, The Wages of Labor
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