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Tamerlan Tsarnaev ID'd as dead Boston suspect, Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev on run

Re: Did Obama's lenient immigration policy allow the Boston bombing?

bubbabgone said:
Do you think a POTUS fills his/her Administration with folks who are of like mind?
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Not always. Especially as we saw with Secretary Gates.

We know how Obama keeps saying how we need to be nice to Muslims.
Could that have influenced the Justice Department when the FBI looked into Tamerlan when Russia warned us a couple of years ago?
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And here we have a tin foil hat alert. The FBI likely dropped the case because Tamerlan did not have the skills or capacity to do anything. Do you really want a USSR style Secret Police watching everyone who has beliefs we find dangerous? The government does not have infinite resources. People who have motives, beliefs, skills and capacities to actually make good on threats get watched. People who spout off crap but can't even use a lighter don't. It amazes me just how far some people here are willing to COMPLETELY ABANDONED LIBERTY FOR SECURITY.

For instance Bob Mueller was FBI chief under W Bush too but the FBI is under Eric Holder who heads the Justice Department.
Did Justice have anything to do with declaring Tamerlan sqeaky clean?
And if he looked clean 2 years ago, was there really nothing at all to make them think to at least put him in a tickler file when they could have discovered his website?
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Again, statements mean nothing without the capacity to do anything about them. Unlike Russia, we don't sic our intelligence services on anyone who we deem to hold beliefs we don't like, even if they don't have the abilities to do anything dangerous.

To closely paraphrase someone very close to you ... Seriously, you don't even try to hide the fact that your partisan devotion is out of control.
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Yeah, so much so I didn't vote for him twice. And I started calling him Bush III mere months into his Presidency.

You can push that line, it will just end exceptionally badly for you.

You are so much of a partisan hack that you are trying to argue every single action of the Federal government is Obama's fault.
 
Re: Did Obama's lenient immigration policy allow the Boston bombing?

Lutherf said:
This isn't the kind of thing that somebody just wakes up one day and decides to do.
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Every day that I wake up, I decide to do something.

I assume that the the same thing happens with some other people.

With 7 billion people on this planet, that opens up a lot of possibilities.
 
Re: Did Obama's lenient immigration policy allow the Boston bombing?

MaggieD said:
The agents who interviewed him decided of their own accord he was harmless.

They were wrong.
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The only people on this planet who never make a mistake are those who have never do anything.

If you do enough, eventually you'll make a mistake.
 
Re: Did Obama's lenient immigration policy allow the Boston bombing?

rocket88 said:
Neither is shooting up a school in Connecticut.

Surveillance of every single person who might be a threat is very much what a police state does. I'll take my chances if it avoids having the Stasi here.
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I'm totally down with that idea.

If we're going to start watching everyone, I'm out of here.

Oops, wait a minute, I already left!
 
Re: Did Obama's lenient immigration policy allow the Boston bombing?

bubbabgone said:
It was Obama's FBI that cleared Tamerlan, wasn't it?
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Actually it was America's FBI.

Working for you.
 
Re: Did Obama's lenient immigration policy allow the Boston bombing?

bubbabgone said:
To closely paraphrase someone very close to you ... Seriously, you don't even try to hide the fact that your partisan devotion is out of control.
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I may have to start ignoring your posts.

Not everything that happens in the USA has to turn into a partisan witch hunt.

No matter what some people on the left or right might think.




"We should be able to disagree without being disagreeable."

 
Re: Did Obama's lenient immigration policy allow the Boston bombing?

obvious Child said:
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And here we have a tin foil hat alert. The FBI likely dropped the case because Tamerlan did not have the skills or capacity to do anything. Do you really want a USSR style Secret Police watching everyone who has beliefs we find dangerous? The government does not have infinite resources. People who have motives, beliefs, skills and capacities to actually make good on threats get watched. People who spout off crap but can't even use a lighter don't. It amazes me just how far some people here are willing to COMPLETELY ABANDONED LIBERTY FOR SECURITY. ....
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I have heard, ironically, it was Russia who first notified the FBI they needed to keep an eye on the guy.....
 
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Fisher said:
I have heard, ironically, it was Russia who first notified the FBI they needed to keep an eye on the guy.....
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Russia still maintains significant aspects of its Secret Police. Considering how many people they've watched (and watch), they're going to get some of them right purely by the law of large numbers.

I find it incredibly offensive for people to argue that the US government should enact some kind of domestic spying program purely based on beliefs. The potential for abuse is absurd large.
 
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obvious Child said:
Russia still maintains significant aspects of its Secret Police. Considering how many people they've watched (and watch), they're going to get some of them right purely by the law of large numbers.

I find it incredibly offensive for people to argue that the US government should enact some kind of domestic spying program purely based on beliefs. The potential for abuse is absurd large.
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I agree. Why waste all that money creating a big government program when we could just subpoena Google and Facebook and know everything we need to know about a person for the cost of a Sheriff showing up at their offices.
 
Re: Did Obama's lenient immigration policy allow the Boston bombing?

Fisher said:
I agree. Why waste all that money creating a big government program when we could just subpoena Google and Facebook and know everything we need to know about a person for the cost of a Sheriff showing up at their offices.
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But what if they're off the grid? That said, it would be cheaper to do that way.

That said, it would be hugely ironic for a Democratic President to abuse such a spying program to dig up dirt against every Republican running for office. Hello, I told you this would happen! Did you listen? No.
 
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obvious Child said:
But what if they're off the grid? That said, it would be cheaper to do that way.

That said, it would be hugely ironic for a Democratic President to abuse such a spying program to dig up dirt against every Republican running for office. Hello, I told you this would happen! Did you listen? No.
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Sounds something like what 'Tricky' Dick Nixon had going on.

I'll just add that Nixon did do a lot of good things (Trying to be fair here.).

I actually kind of liked Nixon at one time.
 
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shrubnose said:
Sounds something like what 'Tricky' Dick Nixon had going on.
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Nixon would have wet his pants at what we can do now with spying.

I'll just add that Nixon did do a lot of good things (Trying to be fair here.).

I actually kind of liked Nixon at one time.
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He did open China up. Gotta give him that. Even if he was a crook.
 
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obvious Child said:
Nixon would have wet his pants at what we can do now with spying.



He did open China up. Gotta give him that. Even if he was a crook.
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Nixon had a lot of things going for him, he could have been an almost great president.
 
Re: Did Obama's lenient immigration policy allow the Boston bombing?

shrubnose said:
I may have to start ignoring your posts.

Not everything that happens in the USA has to turn into a partisan witch hunt.

No matter what some people on the left or right might think.




"We should be able to disagree without being disagreeable."
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that's exactly what the terrorists want you to think
 
Re: Did Obama's lenient immigration policy allow the Boston bombing?

shrubnose said:
I may have to start ignoring your posts.

Not everything that happens in the USA has to turn into a partisan witch hunt.

No matter what some people on the left or right might think.




"We should be able to disagree without being disagreeable."
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That would be a pity.

Because if you ignored my posts you'd not see this ...

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in any ugly direction." - George W. Bush
"We can absorb [another] terrorist attack." - George W. Bush

Got your attention? ... after you finish nodding your head while saying how that confirms what you thought about W, you'd not see that it wasn't Bush but Barack Obama who said those things.
And then you could go back to calling it partisanship.

Listen my friend, acknowledging reality is not partisanship.
And blaming partisanship to avoid uncomfortable facts is not healthy for you or the Country.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Listen my friend, acknowledging reality is not partisanship.
And blaming partisanship to avoid uncomfortable facts is not healthy for you or the Country.
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#1. I am not your friend, don't even want to know you, got that?

#2. Your post is off-topic.

#3. If you want to talk about President Obama go to a thread that is about him or start your own thread.

Have a nice millisecond.



"If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there." ~ Lewis Carroll
 
Re: Did Obama's lenient immigration policy allow the Boston bombing?

shrubnose said:
#1. I am not your friend, don't even want to know you, got that?

#2. Your post is off-topic.

#3. If you want to talk about President Obama go to a thread that is about him or start your own thread.

Have a nice millisecond.



"If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there." ~ Lewis Carroll
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My my such a foul temper. The real Lech would never speak like that.
 
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bubbabgone said:
My my such a foul temper. The real Lech would never speak like that.
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You don't know Lech.

He doesn't waste his time with losers.
 
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shrubnose said:
You don't know Lech.

He doesn't waste his time with losers.
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Lech doesn't like losers ... but losers like his likeness.
Mój dobry znajomy.

Hey have you been noticing in the news how the Obama administration really effed up with Tamerlan because of his refusal to acknowledge or even say the words Islamic radicalism or Islamic Fundamentalism with respect to terrorism. Whaddupwiddat, huh?

Guess he wasn't kidding when he said "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in any ugly direction." huh?
Just like I've been saying since last week.
Lotsa people have started to notice that about him. It's a disorder. He's gonna have to do something about that.

I have to say it feels good to be right about things like this ... lots of us know that feeling.
I could try to explain it but you really have to experience it to really know.
Hang in there, good buddy. Maybe some day.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Lech doesn't like losers ... but losers like his likeness.
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Glad to hear that you like my avatar.
 
Re: Did Obama's lenient immigration policy allow the Boston bombing?

shrubnose said:
Glad to hear that you like my avatar.
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It's good you're pleased but knowing I've managed to enlighten you about Barack Obama is all the thanks I need.
Teraz działać mądrze
 
Re: Did Obama's lenient immigration policy allow the Boston bombing?

bubbabgone said:
It's good you're pleased but knowing I've managed to enlighten you about Barack Obama is all the thanks I need.
Teraz działać mądrze
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There you go again, Bubba. You know how curious I am, but that one I knew! Ha! :2bow:
 
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bubbabgone said:
It's good you're pleased but knowing I've managed to enlighten you about Barack Obama is all the thanks I need.
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Anyone can be a critic, but it takes a real human being to take a chance and actually do something that helps the human race.

In any case, have a nice day.




"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." ~ Jesus Christ
 
Re: Did Obama's lenient immigration policy allow the Boston bombing?

shrubnose said:
Anyone can be a critic, but it takes a real human being to take a chance and actually do something that helps the human race.

In any case, have a nice day.




"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." ~ Jesus Christ
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I would never think to put Jesus Christ in any comment string about Barack Obama except maybe for contrast.
So if that wasn't your intent then your statement that suggested (I have to assume) that Barack Obama has been doing something(s) that helps the human race is mystifying and cries out for a list of examples.
 
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