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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I'm not defending the lack of class exhibited here but I'm curious about the extent of the first amendment coverage.

    For example, if I say **** you to somebody, that might be considered "fighting words" and could result in a disorderly conduct charge. But if I say **** Obama, hell, I'll make a bunch of new friends. So, where is the line I wonder...
    Depends on where you live. Where I live it works like this:

    It is illegal to curse on the telephone. Piss someone off and they will swear a warrant otherwise, no problem;

    Curse at someone in a heated way and you could be charged with assault if the police hear it or the person swears a warrant, otherwise no problem.

    Curse at the police and you are going to be charged with swearing in public, disorderly conduct or something more--virtually guaranteed.

    Curse at a judge and you are in contempt of court.

    The long and short of it is, don't piss people off and you never have to worry about it even if you are using profanity in my hood. Otherwise, there is no real line.


    BTW I get to say profanity in court if I am quoting someone or soliciting info like "When you stated they said FU B, just so there is no confusion, is it true they said **** You ***** or did they literally say 'FU B'?" It still freaks me out to use the "N" Word but sometimes it becomes unavoidable.
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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Depends on where you live. Where I live it works like this:

    It is illegal to curse on the telephone. Piss someone off and they will swear a warrant otherwise, no problem;

    Curse at someone in a heated way and you could be charged with assault if the police hear it or the person swears a warrant, otherwise no problem.

    Curse at the police and you are going to be charged with swearing in public, disorderly conduct or something more--virtually guaranteed.

    Curse at a judge and you are in contempt of court.

    The long and short of it is, don't piss people off and you never have to worry about it even if you are using profanity in my hood. Otherwise, there is no real line.
    Of that list, the only one I really understand is cursing in a court of law. You can't swear on the telephone? I do that all the time, whenever I have to talk with customer service.
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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Where do you live? DPRK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Depends on where you live. Where I live it works like this:

    It is illegal to curse on the telephone. Piss someone off and they will swear a warrant otherwise, no problem;

    Curse at someone in a heated way and you could be charged with assault if the police hear it or the person swears a warrant, otherwise no problem.

    Curse at the police and you are going to be charged with swearing in public, disorderly conduct or something more--virtually guaranteed.

    Curse at a judge and you are in contempt of court.

    The long and short of it is, don't piss people off and you never have to worry about it even if you are using profanity in my hood. Otherwise, there is no real line.

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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of that list, the only one I really understand is cursing in a court of law. You can't swear on the telephone? I do that all the time, whenever I have to talk with customer service.
    I cuss all the time, trust me. To me that is one of those weak weak laws they only use if they have absolutely nothing else unless someone swears out a warrant. There are groups of people who have to have drama in their lives and are always fighting and feuding and they will swear out those warrants in response to someone swearing out a warrant against them. They are really just huge wastes of time and money IMO. I refer to them as Spite Statutes.

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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I cuss all the time, trust me. To me that is one of those weak weak laws they only use if they have absolutely nothing else unless someone swears out a warrant. There are groups of people who have to have drama in their lives and are always fighting and feuding and they will swear out those warrants in response to someone swearing out a warrant against them. They are really just huge wastes of time and money IMO. I refer to them as Spite Statutes.
    Yeah, once you let the whiners have their way, everyone is going to whine. I want to adopt a more "bootstrap" policy. You can't cry to government every time something doesn't go your way. Well, I mean, you actually can; but it's not going to drive us anywhere better for the most part. I don't get it. What's the point of having someone else do it for you?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Personally, I think it's unethical and very unprofessional for a teacher to curse out a student or mock them.

    However, I have no problem with teachers correcting students or calling them out. Students need to have a spine. I have a teacher who rounds at a very top notch hospital that if/when you go on 4th year rotations he will drill you on drugs. He's not mean or harsh, but he will drill you and ask you "why" or "how does that work" repeatedly until you can no longer answer, he then tells you to look it up. Many of the teachers have extremely high standards and many students complain, but I think the teachers are right to have high standards and the complainers are wrong and usually lazy. I have other teachers that do similar things and aren't afraid to say "if you did that you would kill your patient." We had a humbling lecture about pharmacist related malpractice and deaths and when we make bad mistakes we are always called out on it, but I think that's an important part of learning and understanding professional responsibility.

    I am thinking of going into teaching, I would drill my students and have very very high standards. I would be that strict teacher that expects my students to work hard, I expect my A students to rightfully earn their A. However, I wouldn't be abuse and would conduct my classes with professionalism and kindness. I would want my students to learn and learn the material as an expert, but I also want to be approachable and ensure that I can help them learn.
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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Unless they are actually threatening, then it's not assault. If they're saying "I'm going to ****ing kill you and rape your corpse" OK. But if they're saying "you ignorant little ****, you have no clue what you're ****ing talking about, just spewing **** all over the place without one god damned ounce of ****ing thought, you dumb ass, retarded twat!" then no.
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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So your school had no drop dates? No way to raise concern with the administration? Nowhere to file complaints?

    And I am going to say deal with it because you need to learn to deal with it. My PI when I was a post-doc would rant and rave for days if anyone messed up or thought about messing up or looked at messing up the wrong way. Days. And you're in the lab 12 hrs/day at least. Hell I spent near a day in the machine shop making some pieces for our vacuum chamber and she changed her mind halfway through, such that what I made wouldn't work. When she saw it, it was a week of bitching, yelling, confrontation. I didn't go running off crying to someone about it. Deal with it, rise to the challenge and overcome. Running to government....that's the coward's way.
    The add/drop was week one. After week one, there were no refunds, and you can't switch into another class.

    I never claimed to go run to the government. Hell, I didn't even run to my schools administration. I handled it the best way I could, which was asking him questions that he would stumble over and twist himself up and look like an idiot. I've dealt with unpleasant people before in my life, that isn't the problem. The problem was this guy was a moron, it was a waste of a class, and $700 I'll never get back. If you want to know why college debt is so goddamn much, its because useless teachers not only have jobs, but are required for graduation even if its not my field of study.

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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    We're discussing legality, not acceptability. Being a shmuck is never acceptable but is it illegal?
    I wouldn't get arrested for it, but I probably could get security to escort me out.

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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    The add/drop was week one. After week one, there were no refunds, and you can't switch into another class.
    Well **** dude, you agreed to the contract. You can still drop and retake the course with a different prof. You can still lodge official complaint. There are things you could have done. Don't try to blame anyone but yourself; your decisions were your own.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I never claimed to go run to the government. Hell, I didn't even run to my schools administration. I handled it the best way I could, which was asking him questions that he would stumble over and twist himself up and look like an idiot. I've dealt with unpleasant people before in my life, that isn't the problem. The problem was this guy was a moron, it was a waste of a class, and $700 I'll never get back. If you want to know why college debt is so goddamn much, its because useless teachers not only have jobs, but are required for graduation even if its not my field of study.
    There are some issues with the way we run higher ed for sure; that doesn't mean that this wasn't anyone else's fault but your own. I'm sorry dude, but I've been through the entirety of academia ending in a PhD in physics. Your **** ain't unique and it ain't troublesome. There is no guarantee in life that things will go great and exactly as theory predicts. Everyone has to deal with crap like this, and those amongst us who can succeed pull themselves up and do so. I'm sorry you had a douche professor, but I will guarantee you this; he ain't the last douche you're gonna have to deal with. So settle in for the long haul, cause many people are jackasses. You're going to NEED to learn how to deal with them.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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