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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I'm not defending the lack of class exhibited here but I'm curious about the extent of the first amendment coverage.

    For example, if I say **** you to somebody, that might be considered "fighting words" and could result in a disorderly conduct charge. But if I say **** Obama, hell, I'll make a bunch of new friends. So, where is the line I wonder...
    The line is where the ranter is a professor and her recipient one of her students.

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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    From what we have seen here is what I believe happened.

    The cops were called to respond.

    Initially, they were assessing the situation.

    Anyone threatened or harmed? No.

    Is there more to this than what we've been told or what we see? We don't know yet.

    Can the situation escalate? Wait and see.

    Is she going to run out of steam? Not yet.

    Is she going to go bat-****e crazy if we leave? Don't know, but she isn't calming down. At this point they should have asked her to step inside a building so that they could hear her side of the story out of public view. They didn't.

    The adjunct seems to have backed herself into a corner now and cannot save face. Her anger grows. A little more public anger and the police may have enough to arrest her. At this point she seems to be taunting the police.

    They arrest her.

    In my opinion the police may have had the power to avoid all this if they had peacefully gotten her to remove herself from the situation and go inside a building. The cops didn't do this to my knowledge. The police, it appears, decided to take the power and authority approach to end the situation. Bad move.
    Perhaps so, if you presume that had they asked her to step inside a building to discuss the issue she would have complied. Courts in the US have ruled frequently that pro-life protestors aren't allowed to congregate around pro-choice protests due to the possibility of escalating unrest and perhaps violence. The police in this case likely asked her to move away or protest somewhere else and she likely refused - I don't know.

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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    How about the other way around?


    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    The line is where the ranter is a professor and her recipient one of her students.

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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    How about the other way around?
    That has always been unacceptable.

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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Perhaps you didn't see the part about attendance being half the grade. I could have stopped going to class, but receiving an F wasn't an acceptable alternative. The school is under no obligation to give me my money back or fire the teacher because the school literally doesn't care as long as they get their money. I don't claim to have jurisdiction over anyone's mouth, he can say whatever he wants to. But if he's going to try to shout me (it wasn't ever me, it was other students; I either kept my mouth shut or keenly asked him a question in a way in which he'd make himself look stupid) down, but I will get "disciplinary action" from either him or the school if I return the favor..... that sort of hypocracy I do have a problem with.

    You're probably going to say "deal with it, you'll get that from a boss as well" to which I'm going to say.... "yeah but my boss pays me, I'm not paying him."
    So your school had no drop dates? No way to raise concern with the administration? Nowhere to file complaints?

    And I am going to say deal with it because you need to learn to deal with it. My PI when I was a post-doc would rant and rave for days if anyone messed up or thought about messing up or looked at messing up the wrong way. Days. And you're in the lab 12 hrs/day at least. Hell I spent near a day in the machine shop making some pieces for our vacuum chamber and she changed her mind halfway through, such that what I made wouldn't work. When she saw it, it was a week of bitching, yelling, confrontation. I didn't go running off crying to someone about it. Deal with it, rise to the challenge and overcome. Running to government....that's the coward's way.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Unless they are actually threatening, then it's not assault. If they're saying "I'm going to ****ing kill you and rape your corpse" OK. But if they're saying "you ignorant little ****, you have no clue what you're ****ing talking about, just spewing **** all over the place without one god damned ounce of ****ing thought, you dumb ass, retarded twat!" then no.
    This could be construed as disorderly conduct or even disturbing the peace.

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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    This could be construed as disorderly conduct or even disturbing the peace.
    That's because they can "construe" anything as that; not because it actually is.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    We're discussing legality, not acceptability. Being a shmuck is never acceptable but is it illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    That has always been unacceptable.

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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Perhaps you didn't see the part about attendance being half the grade. I could have stopped going to class, but receiving an F wasn't an acceptable alternative. The school is under no obligation to give me my money back or fire the teacher because the school literally doesn't care as long as they get their money. I don't claim to have jurisdiction over anyone's mouth, he can say whatever he wants to. But if he's going to try to shout me (it wasn't ever me, it was other students; I either kept my mouth shut or keenly asked him a question in a way in which he'd make himself look stupid) down, but I will get "disciplinary action" from either him or the school if I return the favor..... that sort of hypocracy I do have a problem with.

    You're probably going to say "deal with it, you'll get that from a boss as well" to which I'm going to say.... "yeah but my boss pays me, I'm not paying him."
    RC, you are an adult. You are going to college. One of the purposes of college is to challenge you, challenge your beliefs, teach you to think independently and formulate your responses based on what you believe to be correct. If you are getting a spoon fed education, if your beliefs are not seriously challenged, if your classes at times don't involve heated discussions, if you aren't motivated toward vehement disagreement with some of your professors from time to time, you aren't getting your money's worth.

    If the adjunct in the OP is causing her students to think, if she is challenging their beliefs, if her rant lights a fire in their bellies, then she is doing a hell of a good job. She doesn't have to be right or wrong. That hardly matters. Having the government step in is a horrible and tragic lesson, especially for the little Nazi who called the cops.










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    Re: College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    RC, you are an adult. You are going to college. One of the purposes of college is to challenge you, challenge your beliefs, teach you to think independently and formulate your responses based on what you believe to be correct. If you are getting a spoon fed education, if your beliefs are not seriously challenged, if your classes at times don't involve heated discussions, if you aren't motivated toward vehement disagreement with some of your professors from time to time, you aren't getting your money's worth.

    If the adjunct in the OP is causing her students to think, if she is challenging their beliefs, if her rant lights a fire in their bellies, then she is doing a hell of a good job. She doesn't have to be right or wrong. That hardly matters. Having the government step in is a horrible and tragic lesson, especially for the little Nazi who called the cops.
    Not only that, there are ways to raise and file official complaint, you can drop the class, you can do all sorts of things. Some people just want someone else to do it for them these days. I don't know, I think they should be dropped into the cold and uncaring world of science or math grad school; then come back. See what these folk say then.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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