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    Re: Deal approved in Muslims' suit against McDonald's

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    An indian muslims and one from Saudi Arabia don't even practice the same holidays (the saudi man wouldn't observe Diwali). They might have religious holidays that overlap, like Eid, but that doesn't make them the same ethnicity. No more than me sharing the observance of Christmas with Coptic Christians make me a part of their ethnicity.
    Straw and reducto, it was not an argument that all are the same ethnicity, but that:

    Ethnicity, or ethnic identity, refers to membership in a particular cultural group. It is defined by shared cultural practises, including but not limited to holidays, food, language, and customs.

    Some definitions of racism also include discriminatory behaviors and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Deal approved in Muslims' suit against McDonald's

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Straw and reducto, it was not an argument that all are the same ethnicity, but that
    did you just not claim and defend the position that "muslim" was an ethnicity? Yes, you did

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    He posted against an ethnic group, ie "Muslims".


    Ethnicity, or ethnic identity, refers to membership in a particular cultural group. It is defined by shared cultural practises, including but not limited to holidays, food, language, and customs.
    yes I am familier with the definition of ethnicity you posted. And as I just pointed out, "muslim" isn't a shared cultural group. It's a religous group that can create shared "cultural" practices among differing ethnicity


    Some definitions of racism also include discriminatory behaviors and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes
    what does this have to do with you claiming "muslim" as an ethnicity?

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    Re: Deal approved in Muslims' suit against McDonald's

    l wonder how he found out that it wasnt a halal production




    This method of slaughtering animals consists of a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the throat, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides but leaving the spinal cord intact.
    According to Islamic tradition, the animal is brought to the place of slaughter and laid down gently so as to not injure it. The blade must be kept hidden until the very last moment while the jugular of the animal is felt. The conventional method used to slaughter the animal involves cutting the large arteries in the neck along with the esophagus and vertebrate trachea with one swipe of an non-serrated blade. Care must be taken that the nervous system is not damaged, as this may cause the animal to die before exsanguination has taken place. While blood is draining, the animal is not handled until it has died. If any other method is used its meat will not be halal.

    This method adheres to Islamic law (it ensures the animal does not die by any of the Haraam methods) and helps to effectively drain blood from the animal. This may be important because the consumption of blood itself is forbidden in Islam,[Quran 2:173] however it is not clear that bleeding the animal removes all traces of blood from the carcass, so the meat may remain unclean. In fact it is stated by Islamic authorities that it is only necessary to drain 'most' of the blood from the animal.[12]





    Forbidden for you are carrion, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that which has been slaughtered while proclaiming the name of any other than God, and one killed by strangling, and one killed with blunt weapons, and one which died by falling, and that which was gored by the horns of some animal, and one eaten by a wild beast, except those whom you slaughter; and that which is slaughtered at the altar and that which is distributed by the throwing of arrows [for an omen]; this is an act of sin.
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    l already quitted eating at Mcdonads
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    Re: Deal approved in Muslims' suit against McDonald's

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    UK had the same problem. Due to islamist movement, the meat companies were forced to do halal meat and commercialize it... and they didn't put a label on the product saying that: This meat was prepared according to halal.

    Why?

    because its a brutal, stupid, barbaric ritual and the merchants knew that if they put the label HALAL MEAT on their meat, decent people wouldn't buy it because they wouldn't support the barbarism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How is it "having that problem" when the two situations, as you describe it, are nothing at all alike. In the situation here, McDonalds decided to advertise something they apparently where not providing, got busted for it, or at least did not expect a jury to buy their story, so settled the lawsuit. That is not even remotely like the situation you describe.
    You can't say that, Redress. He was looking out for the interests of "decent people"

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    Re: Deal approved in Muslims' suit against McDonald's

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    what does this have to do with you claiming "muslim" as an ethnicity?
    Um, it is the key point, that racism includes discrimination against a person based on their religion.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Deal approved in Muslims' suit against McDonald's

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    UK had the same problem. Due to islamist movement, the meat companies were forced to do halal meat and commercialize it... and they didn't put a label on the product saying that: This meat was prepared according to halal.

    Why?

    because its a brutal, stupid, barbaric ritual and the merchants knew that if they put the label HALAL MEAT on their meat, decent people wouldn't buy it because they wouldn't support the barbarism.
    So Kosher is okay but hala is not

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    Re: Deal approved in Muslims' suit against McDonald's

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    $700K because sandwiches were not prepared as advertised just seems excessive to me regardless of how many people ate them.
    When I said (above) that this settlement "sounded fair" to me I meant in relation to other false advertising settlements/judegements.

    Just as a single example, Sketchers (the shoe company) settled for $45 million dollars because their "Shape Up" sandals didn't live up to the advertising claim that wearers would lose weight "without stepping foot in the gym".

    You might find that excessive too, and I guess as far as it goes there's really nothing wrong with that, it's just your opinion after all so no big deal.

    But I think we have a pretty clear standard in this country that if you market a product, and in doing so make claims that the product does not live up to, you're going to be held accountable for that (or at least, the potential exists that you will).

    I simply think that $700K when we're talking about a relatively small population suing over a relatively inexpensive product is "fair" in comparison to a larger class suing over a more expensive product and getting $45 million.

    Plus, I just don't believe many kept halal so thoroughly as to make this a real offense.
    McDonald's market research had to have told them that advertising the food as halal was advisable otherwise they wouldn't have done it.

    Whether or not people actually kept halal, or whether they simply told the folks running the focus group, polls, and surveys that they kept halal because it made them feel good about themselves is kinda immaterial.

    Once McDonalds made that promise to consumers (that their food was halal), regardless of how they came to make the decision, they were obligated to live up to it.

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    Re: Deal approved in Muslims' suit against McDonald's

    Kind of strange. McDonald's has very strict food preparation methods and does not allow any of the franchisees to deviate at all from the central food preparation standards. That's why McDonald's food tastes the same no matter where you are.

    Yet this particular McDonald's is sued for not property preparing tasty Muslim snacks?

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    Re: Deal approved in Muslims' suit against McDonald's

    How did the guy know it was pork it was a "chicken" sandwhich

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    Re: Deal approved in Muslims' suit against McDonald's

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, it is the key point, that racism includes discrimination against a person based on their religion.
    without getting into the issues with reducing every form of bigotry to "racism", I was clearly addressing your claim that "muslim" was an ethnicity. Which you even tried to defend, when I first addressed the issues with it.

    So it's rather silly to now act as if we were discussing something else

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