Deal approved in Muslims' suit against McDonald's [W:40]

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Doesn't there have to be proof of damages in a class action suit? I mean, it would be damn hard to prove that they're all going to hell, because they ate haraam food.

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zimmer said:

I posted it because it was interesting. I was waiting to see the reply about the lawyers and where the money went and the response... but nobody seems to have picked it up or read that far.

And as for the end of your post... why would I be scared of "Muslim"? Because a faction of Muslims have introduced a level of carnage and mayhem into western society that is the new norm? Because the Mulsim community is largely silent about the terrorists acting in the name of their religion?

I'm curious... why would you post that? Are you afraid to explain why?

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Because you are a poster child for racism, and it shows right here?

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specklebang said:

Why do you say this?

Halal is just like Kosher. The most merciful way of slaughtering an animal. If the animal experiences ANY pain, it is NOT Halal or Kosher.

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That's completely untrue.

The form of preparing halal meat is done by exsanguinating the animal while alive. Not to mention that there is a whole ritual that comes along with the way the animal needs to be killed.

I am not saying kosher is better. I just don't know all the details about kosher and how its made. The only reason I know what halal is and why it is considered to be a brutal, barbaric ritual is because of the scandal with the halal meat and its concealment from the general public in the UK a few years ago. I never heard of the jews pushing a kosher only meat agenda. I know there is kosher food, but again, its not like it was in the UK.

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Dr. Chuckles said:

If the food was advertised as halall then why shouldn't these people sue and why shouldn't they be compensated?

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No no, they should in the case of McDonalds. that's basically fraud, or false advertising. And all the muslims who ate at McDonalds have a right to stake their claim.

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apdst said:

Doesn't there have to be proof of damages in a class action suit? I mean, it would be damn hard to prove that they're all going to hell, because they ate haraam food.

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It is commercial fraud. Money paid for a product not received. They advertise all beef patties and if it turned out to be 50% soy you got a class action lawsuit.

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ChezC3 said:

I would just like to point out one particular thing here, and this isn't just you, it is a common complaint but one that no one ever seems to understand, basically not because you can't or or are incapable of understanding it but simply you may be unaware.

The Muslim community at large doesn't take up loud, vocal protest or condemnation against this very, very, small, minority sect who have hijacked Islam and turned it into their own private excuse to commit acts of atrocity that the Prophet(saw) himself would surely put them to death for because it is forbidden in Islam for a Muslim to publiclly berate, insult, or speak ill of another muslim. It isn't that they don't find what these cowardly dogs are doing detestable it is that their religion and as an extension culture won't allow for it.

Western religion has no restrictions in this regard and as a culture public condemnation is a norm (an all too freely exercised norm if you ask me personally) so the expectation of what should be done by the "good muslims" is based on a seperate criteria of duty and obligations.

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Well... it is time they used their 1st Amendment Rights and "evolve".

I will throw in a reason why they don't... FEAR. Fear they will be targeted by these demented terrorists.

Now... it is up to the leadership in the Muslim community to come out and start this. Sitting by and watching a faction of idiots terrorize society because they have issues with it is no excuse not to come out and condemn it publicly and consistently. NO excuse. Instead we have the fools at CAIR as the face of Muslims in America. That is unacceptable.

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zimmer said:

Well... it is time they used their 1st Amendment Rights and "evolve".

I will throw in a reason why they don't... FEAR. Fear they will be targeted by these demented terrorists.

Now... it is up to the leadership in the Muslim community to come out and start this. Sitting by and watching a faction of idiots terrorize society because they have issues with it is no excuse not to come out and condemn it publicly and consistently. NO excuse. Instead we have the fools at CAIR as the face of Muslims in America. That is unacceptable.

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So do you run around all day condemning white christian terrorists like those who bomb and shoot abortion providers? Why do you expect more from others?

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Redress said:

So do you run around all day condemning white christian terrorists like those who bomb and shoot abortion providers? Why do you expect more from others?

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Our society does... our leaders tend to. It is the minority who cry for terrorists in our society.

Though it seems there is a majority of Americans who will actually vote for someone who seeks out assistance up the political ladder by people who bomb/terrorize others. Some of these voters may be ignorant of the fact of Obama's terrorist ties, others seem to be tolerant of terrorists working with political figures seeking high office, and defend this relationship vigorously. People like you.

There are some of us who tried to vocally warn Americans of people of such shallow character to have sought out terrorists, bigots and racists. To no avail. Be we did try. And we do not tolerate terrorists, terrorism in any form from any race, religion or political lean. For people like you... you cannot make that claim. You tolerate terrorism similar to the Boston Bombing at some level or you would never have voted for Obama.

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zimmer said:

Well... it is time they used their 1st Amendment Rights and "evolve".

I will throw in a reason why they don't... FEAR. Fear they will be targeted by these demented terrorists.

Now... it is up to the leadership in the Muslim community to come out and start this. Sitting by and watching a faction of idiots terrorize society because they have issues with it is no excuse not to come out and condemn it publicly and consistently. NO excuse. Instead we have the fools at CAIR as the face of Muslims in America. That is unacceptable.

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You might not like my answer, but it is the correct one.

Muslims have a tendancy of taking their religion a little more serious than most Christians in this country...

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Exsanguinating (new word for me so thanks) is PRECISELY how meat is Kosher or Halal. That';s the whole idea. Exsanguation is painless. There are special knives used that are extraordinarily sharp and the cuts must be made so the animal does NOT react. There is NO "barbaric ritual". Unless you consider prayer to be barbaric (I won't argue that).

Comparison of Islamic and Jewish dietary laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Halal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The difference between Halal and Kosher is the slaughter process. For Halal meat and poultry processing, the Muslim slaughterman is required to acknowledge God's Creation and to thank God for providing sustenance by reciting a prayer before each and every slaughter with the statement, “In the name of God – God is the Greatest - Bismillahi Allahu Akbar.”

The Shochet, or Jewish slaughterman does not and is not, required to invoke God's name on each animal before each slaughter.

Now, in the UK, apparently it is an issue. Why? I don't know. Different countries get different hairs up their ass. But I can only say that the purpose of Halal and Kosher is to avoid animal pain and consumption of blood. There are differences about what parts are edible but that's not the main point.


I said:
Halal is just like Kosher. The most merciful way of slaughtering an animal. If the animal experiences ANY pain, it is NOT Halal or Kosher.
That's completely untrue.
You said:
The form of preparing halal meat is done by exsanguinating the animal while alive. Not to mention that there is a whole ritual that comes along with the way the animal needs to be killed.

I am not saying kosher is better. I just don't know all the details about kosher and how its made. The only reason I know what halal is and why it is considered to be a brutal, barbaric ritual is because of the scandal with the halal meat and its concealment from the general public in the UK a few years ago. I never heard of the jews pushing a kosher only meat agenda. I know there is kosher food, but again, its not like it was in the UK.

Rainman05 said:

That's completely untrue.

The form of preparing halal meat is done by exsanguinating the animal while alive. Not to mention that there is a whole ritual that comes along with the way the animal needs to be killed.

I am not saying kosher is better. I just don't know all the details about kosher and how its made. The only reason I know what halal is and why it is considered to be a brutal, barbaric ritual is because of the scandal with the halal meat and its concealment from the general public in the UK a few years ago. I never heard of the jews pushing a kosher only meat agenda. I know there is kosher food, but again, its not like it was in the UK.

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Redress said:

So do you run around all day condemning white christian terrorists like those who bomb and shoot abortion providers? Why do you expect more from others?

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If I remember correctly, the anti-abortion movement did get tons of flack for not outright condemning the people carrying out violence for their cause, and rightly so. Also, I am unsure christian terrorism is on par with what we see from the islamic world.

But with that said, Islamic leaders have condemned such attacks

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SMTA said:

Because you are a poster child for racism, and it shows right here?

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What race did he post against?

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Mason66 said:

What race did he post against?

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He posted against an ethnic group, ie "Muslims".

Ethnicity, or ethnic identity, refers to membership in a particular cultural group. It is defined by shared cultural practises, including but not limited to holidays, food, language, and customs.

Some definitions of racism also include discriminatory behaviors and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes

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Dr. Chuckles said:

If I remember correctly, the anti-abortion movement did get tons of flack for not outright condemning the people carrying out violence for their cause, and rightly so. Also, I am unsure christian terrorism is on par with what we see from the islamic world.

But with that said, Islamic leaders have condemned such attacks

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They should not have. I do not remember it. It was pretty roundly condemned once, much like Muslims condemned 9/11 and the Boston attack. Neither group should have to daily announce their opposition to terror, which is about what it would take to satisfy Zimmer, except then he would claim they where insincere.

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zimmer said:

Nice try... but a fail.

You seem to suffer from reading comprehension problems.

I was interested to see if the folks here picked up where the money was going.

As far as Muslims... I don't hate Muslims, but I do find their silence on matter terroristic distasteful. The word "hate" is one I use in a very limited, almost non-existent manner... but I do hate the twisted terrorist oriented Muslims.

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Cough...

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Redress said:

They should not have. I do not remember it. It was pretty roundly condemned once, much like Muslims condemned 9/11 and the Boston attack. Neither group should have to daily announce their opposition to terror, which is about what it would take to satisfy Zimmer, except then he would claim they where insincere.

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I really dont see the issue with letting it be known that you are against violence which is associated with your cause.

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Gimmesometruth said:

By the OP:



Cough...

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you don't hate "twisted terrorist oriented Muslims"?

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Gimmesometruth said:

He posted against an ethnic group, ie "Muslims".[/I]

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In what world is "muslim" considered an ethnicity? Surely ethnic groups can be predominately muslim, and even have islam deeply associated with their ethnic identity, but I never heard of it used legitimately as an ethnicity itself

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Dr. Chuckles said:

I really dont see the issue with letting it be known that you are against violence which is associated with your cause.

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There is nothing wrong with it. Both Muslims and in my example Christian anti-abortions groups did this.

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zimmer said:

I was interested to see if the folks here picked up where the money was going.

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I read the article.

I picked up on where the money was going.

I'm curious what your thoughts are related to where the money is going.

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Redress said:

There is nothing wrong with it. Both Muslims and in my example Christian anti-abortions groups did this.

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but you just wrote the anti-abortion groups "should not have"? I would say any such group is morally and ethically burdened to denounce such violence in their name, if they are actually against it. For one, it sends a clear sign that such will not be tolerated in their community, and it helps distance them from such acts

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Dr. Chuckles said:

you don't hate "twisted terrorist oriented Muslims"?

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I think generalized irrational pronouncement towards ethic groups is lowest form of ignorance.

Dr. Chuckles said:

In what world is "muslim" considered an ethnicity? Surely ethnic groups can be predominately muslim, and even have islam deeply associated with their ethnic identity, but I never heard of it used legitimately as an ethnicity itself

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If you decide to ignore the definitions posted by removing them from my quote, that is entirely up to you. You are not free to then say "you have never heard it" that way.

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zimmer said:

a fyi.

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It is false advertising...I mean that's a big deal.

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Dr. Chuckles said:

but you just wrote the anti-abortion groups "should not have"? I would say any such group is morally and ethically burdened to denounce such violence in their name, if they are actually against it. For one, it sends a clear sign that such will not be tolerated in their community, and it helps distance them from such acts

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They should not have to proclaim their condemnation on a daily basis. Sorry if I was less than clear.