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    Re: Obama Administration had slashed budget for domestic bombing prevention by 45%!

    I'll appreciate a link to the ant farm project. Then, I'll see if I can find the defenders. Who knows, maybe you found something that we can all agree upon. But you're reaching pretty far in order to find this one minor (I assume) expenditure. And therein lies the problem.

    In spite of this - do you understand my point?

    As for the IMF etc., sure, they can say "get your house in order" but since the entire world is funded with our consumption, both government and civilian, they seem to be posturing.



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    Maybe the ant farm thing? I can't envision there being too many people involved in that operation. But if there is, they can go ahead and start their own private donation thing and fund their own research... or whatever it is the taxpayers are paying for that has to do with ants.

    But I'd say since our economy not only stalled, but went backwards, that it is more than time to start going through the check book and exing things out. But we have the IMF and the top global finance experts giving us financial advice, telling us to get our debt and budget in order because we're holding up the order of things.

    It is not good.

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    Re: Obama Administration had slashed budget for domestic bombing prevention by 45%!

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I'll appreciate a link to the ant farm project. Then, I'll see if I can find the defenders. Who knows, maybe you found something that we can all agree upon. But you're reaching pretty far in order to find this one minor (I assume) expenditure. And therein lies the problem.

    In spite of this - do you understand my point?

    As for the IMF etc., sure, they can say "get your house in order" but since the entire world is funded with our consumption, both government and civilian, they seem to be posturing.
    The California Academy of Sciences is receiving nearly $1 million in stimulus funds to send researchers to the Southwest Indian Ocean Islands and East Africa to capture, photograph and analyze thousands of exotic ants.
    Stimulus Slammed: Republican Senators Release Report Alleging Waste - ABC News

    I forgot about this:

    The Coburn-McCain report takes issue with stimulus spending on projects like one that entailed research on how cocaine affects monkeys. The Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center was awarded $71,623 to study what the report calls, "Monkeys Getting High for Science."
    Sure, the combined total is under $2 million dollars, but the point I was making in my previous post remains: that we're simply writing too many checks.

    But yeah, you take away that funding... and the people that were relying on it get pissed. I guess not everyone can be happy when it comes to our budget, though.

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    Re: Obama Administration had slashed budget for domestic bombing prevention by 45%!

    I'll happily concede that this $2M would likely get all around support (except for the direct beneficiaries, their employees and their contractors).

    So, I'll have to change my question to asking for anything substantial that we could get agreement on that would materially impact the spending pattern?




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    Stimulus Slammed: Republican Senators Release Report Alleging Waste - ABC News

    I forgot about this:



    Sure, the combined total is under $2 million dollars, but the point I was making in my previous post remains: that we're simply writing too many checks.

    But yeah, you take away that funding... and the people that were relying on it get pissed. I guess not everyone can be happy when it comes to our budget, though.

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    Re: Obama Administration had slashed budget for domestic bombing prevention by 45%!

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I'll happily concede that this $2M would likely get all around support (except for the direct beneficiaries, their employees and their contractors).

    So, I'll have to change my question to asking for anything substantial that we could get agreement on that would materially impact the spending pattern?
    I'm sure there is, but we'd have to put up with people being upset. Take for instance, our intelligence community. See, I understand the value of intelligence. Sun Tsu, foreknowledge and all of that. But I have to question the sheer number of agencies that our country currently pays for. I think we have over 20 intelligence agencies. I believe all the branches in the military have their own intelligence unit.

    Or, for that matter, just think of the sheer amount of agencies and units of people that have been created over the years by legislation.

    I'm sure that there are plenty of 'pet project' type of things within our system that could easily be cut, because they were created to make a Congressmen or Senator happy, for example... and probably not for actual American citizen, taxpayer, need.

    But I don't think we should necessarily be looking for agreement right now. We should analyze what's important, and what's not. We can always get the bipartisanship later.

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    Re: Obama Administration had slashed budget for domestic bombing prevention by 45%!

    Regrettably, it is that very partisanship that has immobilized out thought processes.

    You make perfect sense regarding the intelligence agencies. Too many costing too much. How could anybody disagree? But just in the last few days, look at the outcry because of the lowering of investment in domestic IED research. That isn't even partisan really except for the ulta partisans (Obama's fault, Not Obama's fault).

    Another example is out tax code. Look what a nightmare that is. Everybody agres it should be simplified but nobody can agree to actually do it.

    As a businessman and a kind of hyper-organized person, the whole mess seems really poorly structured to me. But instead of repair, we add more and more complexities ever legislative session and even then large groups complain because their legislation has not yet been added to the tangle.

    Pet projects can always be justified. Lets say my Senator attaches an amendment to a defense bill to allocate funds to build a huge statue of Specklebang. Think of all those sculptors that would lose work if it were eliminated not to mention the custodians that remove bird poop from my head and shoulders (the statue, not me).

    Who will determine what is important?



    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    I'm sure there is, but we'd have to put up with people being upset. Take for instance, our intelligence community. See, I understand the value of intelligence. Sun Tsu, foreknowledge and all of that. But I have to question the sheer number of agencies that our country currently pays for. I think we have over 20 intelligence agencies. I believe all the branches in the military have their own intelligence unit.

    Or, for that matter, just think of the sheer amount of agencies and units of people that have been created over the years by legislation.

    I'm sure that there are plenty of 'pet project' type of things within our system that could easily be cut, because they were created to make a Congressmen or Senator happy, for example... and probably not for actual American citizen, taxpayer, need.

    But I don't think we should necessarily be looking for agreement right now. We should analyze what's important, and what's not. We can always get the bipartisanship later.

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    Re: Obama Administration had slashed budget for domestic bombing prevention by 45%!

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Regrettably, it is that very partisanship that has immobilized out thought processes.

    You make perfect sense regarding the intelligence agencies. Too many costing too much. How could anybody disagree? But just in the last few days, look at the outcry because of the lowering of investment in domestic IED research. That isn't even partisan really except for the ulta partisans (Obama's fault, Not Obama's fault).

    Another example is out tax code. Look what a nightmare that is. Everybody agres it should be simplified but nobody can agree to actually do it.

    As a businessman and a kind of hyper-organized person, the whole mess seems really poorly structured to me. But instead of repair, we add more and more complexities ever legislative session and even then large groups complain because their legislation has not yet been added to the tangle.

    Pet projects can always be justified. Lets say my Senator attaches an amendment to a defense bill to allocate funds to build a huge statue of Specklebang. Think of all those sculptors that would lose work if it were eliminated not to mention the custodians that remove bird poop from my head and shoulders (the statue, not me).

    Who will determine what is important?
    The thing about domestic IED research... what exactly does that entail? Like, people paying attention to certain bomb components being bought and sold throughout the United States? Does is cover bomb-dog deployment? Going to the terrorist attacks in Boston, I have to ask if the marathon was a National Security Special Event. Bomb-dogs were there, so an anti-IED component was present on scene. According to one eyewitness, there were announcements over the PA system that drills were being conducted. I saw with my own eyes from live coverage on Fox National Guard helping survivors and the wounded after the bombs detonated, so obviously there was military presence. Fox also reported that DHS was there. I guess I just don't see a direct correlation between President Obama cutting funding to domestic IED research and the Boston terrorist attacks going down. There was, already, a massive amount of men and women in positions of authority carrying guns walking around the place with bomb-sniffing dogs at their side.

    Sure, our tax code. But why stop there? Why do we have to play petty politics when the stability, future and solvency of our country depends on the thoughts, words and actions we perform today. You know those yellow legal pads? You could fill a few pages of the problems we face as a nation today, in the mid-term and in the long-term. And that's not to speak of the mistakes, errors and evils we committed in the past that we've yet to learn from. We are in turbulent times. They are only going to get worse.

    I wouldn't say that they can 'always' be justified. I mean, if the pet project is a hospital, then yes, because a hospital benefits a population. But if the pet project benefits only a small concentration of people, like mostly the politicians that wanted it in the first place, then I don't see any point in the taxpayers having to pay for it. Are we peasants and they our rulers?

    I would say that probably the smartest people in the world out of all of the types of people would be best served for determining what's necessary and what's not, and those kinds of people are realists.

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    Re: Obama Administration had slashed budget for domestic bombing prevention by 45%!

    As far as I can tell, we are in agreement - sort of.

    IED Research - I don't have a clue what is entailed. Neither does anybody else. But shouts went up right here inferring that Obama had failed us because the funding was cut from $20M to $11M. So, where does that leave us in terms of cutting back on anything?

    The Tax Code - I use this as a prime example of system failure. All that complexity is ingrained to benefit relatively few people. Yet it has never been addressed because the people who can address it all have a finger in the pie and they can't expose anything for fear of their own beneficiaries distress.

    Pet Projects - I feel you are implying that building a huge Specklebang statue is not critical to the nation? As I pointed out, this will cause job loss. This will result in unemployment claims.

    The smartest people - Realists or logicians? So, are you proposing a Meritocracy in lieu of a Democracy. You got my vote. But "realistically", never happen.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    The thing about domestic IED research... what exactly does that entail? Like, people paying attention to certain bomb components being bought and sold throughout the United States? Does is cover bomb-dog deployment? Going to the terrorist attacks in Boston, I have to ask if the marathon was a National Security Special Event. Bomb-dogs were there, so an anti-IED component was present on scene. According to one eyewitness, there were announcements over the PA system that drills were being conducted. I saw with my own eyes from live coverage on Fox National Guard helping survivors and the wounded after the bombs detonated, so obviously there was military presence. Fox also reported that DHS was there. I guess I just don't see a direct correlation between President Obama cutting funding to domestic IED research and the Boston terrorist attacks going down. There was, already, a massive amount of men and women in positions of authority carrying guns walking around the place with bomb-sniffing dogs at their side.

    Sure, our tax code. But why stop there? Why do we have to play petty politics when the stability, future and solvency of our country depends on the thoughts, words and actions we perform today. You know those yellow legal pads? You could fill a few pages of the problems we face as a nation today, in the mid-term and in the long-term. And that's not to speak of the mistakes, errors and evils we committed in the past that we've yet to learn from. We are in turbulent times. They are only going to get worse.

    I wouldn't say that they can 'always' be justified. I mean, if the pet project is a hospital, then yes, because a hospital benefits a population. But if the pet project benefits only a small concentration of people, like mostly the politicians that wanted it in the first place, then I don't see any point in the taxpayers having to pay for it. Are we peasants and they our rulers?

    I would say that probably the smartest people in the world out of all of the types of people would be best served for determining what's necessary and what's not, and those kinds of people are realists.

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