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Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

It's not, and even if it were I would still suport it because it's an effective means of getting information.


Says who?

Ex-FBI Interrogator: Torture "Ineffective" - CBS News
A former FBI man who interrogated an al Qaeda leader said Wednesday extreme techniques used by the Bush administration were "ineffective, slow and unreliable" and caused the prisoner to stop talking.

Ali Soufan, testifying to a Senate panel behind a screen to hide his identity, said that his interrogation team obtained a "treasure trove" of information from Abu Zubaydah using a non-threatening approach that outwitted the detainee - even getting him to talk by using his childhood nickname.

Soufan said his team had to step aside when CIA contractors took over, using simulated drowning, sleep deprivation and other harsh methods. He said those techniques caused the prisoner to "shut down."

Study: U.S. Torture Techniques Unethical, Ineffective | LiveScience
Prolonged sleep deprivation, forced nudity and painful body positions are some of the "enhanced interrogation techniques" that the U.S. government approved after Sept. 11, 2001. Three doctors who advocate human rights argue that not only are these methods unethical, but the scientific basis used to validate them was flawed.

The trio, whose policy critique appears today (Jan. 6) in the journal Science, reviewed congressional records and documents from the Department of Justice and the CIA. They found that some of the evidence used to justify enhanced interrogation techniques (EITs) came from studies of U.S. soldiers who underwent SERE training — for "survival, evasion, resistance and escape," exercises that included EITs and were meant to prepare them to survive capture and resist torture. Medical experts involved in those studies, which took place prior to the 9/11 attacks, concluded EITs were "safe, legal and effective," said Scott Allen, a professor of medicine at Brown University and co-author of the critique.

Waterboarding is torture
McCain: Japanese Hanged For Waterboarding - CBS News
Republican presidential candidate John McCain reminded people Thursday that some Japanese were tried and hanged for torturing American prisoners during World War II with techniques that included waterboarding.

"There should be little doubt from American history that we consider that as torture otherwise we wouldn't have tried and convicted Japanese for doing that same thing to Americans," McCain said during a news conference.
History supports McCain's stance on waterboarding
 
Those who advocate torture have the onus on them to express what limits to torture should be used...and why.

Pulling fingernails? Severe electric shock?

Rape?

If not...why not?
 
Waterboarding is indeed torture. There is no legitimate argument to say otherwise.

It is clearly torture. You are pouring water over an individual to simulate drowning....that is torture. Plain and simple.

Our country should NEVER torture under any circumstances. I don't care what information they may have...we live by a set of values in this country. We do NOT torture...period. Inhumane acts that we would find disgusting if used on our citizens shouldn't be used by our government.

Torture goes against everything we are supposed to stand for and to advocate it is disgusting.
 
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