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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Threads like this crack me up.

    First of all, there is no such thing as a "non-partisan" review board. The closest thing we have is the SCOTUS and "non-partisan" isn't exactly the first word that comes to mind when you see the words "United States Supreme Court".

    A nonpartisan group led by a former top Bush administration official concluded a two-year review on Tuesday that finds the former president and his top advisers knowingly ordered interrogation techniques that U.S. officials have previously referred to as torture.
    Second of all, there is absolutely nothing new or groundbreaking here AT ALL. The quoted text is about the most "No ****, Sherlock" statement that I have read in quite awhile. It's the exact same debate that was going on 10 years ago. Is it torture or is it enhanced interrogation? The liberals are still shouting torture and the conservatives are still shouting enhanced interrogation. So what has changed besides the argument being repackaged under the auspices of some shiny new "non-partisan" commission? Nothing, that's what.
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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Maybe he should be, and this is a racial thought, prosecuted for this. People talk about wanting to impeach Obama for attempting to support legislation that they feel conflicts with the second amendment. How about punishing a president for directly giving the order to violate the eighth amendment?
    How hillarious is it to hear Libbos cry about the Constitution being violated? I'll tell you: it's as hillarious as Libbos wanting to strip American citizens of their civil rights and uphold the civil rights of terrorists, who aren't American citizens.
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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Threads like this crack me up.

    First of all, there is no such thing as a "non-partisan" review board. The closest thing we have is the SCOTUS and "non-partisan" isn't exactly the first word that comes to mind when you see the words "United States Supreme Court".


    Second of all, there is absolutely nothing new or groundbreaking here AT ALL. The quoted text is about the most "No ****, Sherlock" statement that I have read in quite awhile. It's the exact same debate that was going on 10 years ago. Is it torture or is it enhanced interrogation? The liberals are still shouting torture and the conservatives are still shouting enhanced interrogation. So what has changed besides the argument being repackaged under the auspices of some shiny new "non-partisan" commission? Nothing, that's what.
    "Non-partisan", is Libbo code for, "they said exactly what we wanted to hear".

    Ever notice how Libbos call everyone that disagrees with them a partisan hack?...among other things, of course.
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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    You're trying to be clever but only proving my point for me

    Fail
    Why would I be happy about Limbaugh not being tortured? Isn't that just about everyday?

    If it's not torture, then why not?


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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How hillarious is it to hear Libbos cry about the Constitution being violated? I'll tell you: it's as hillarious as Libbos wanting to strip American citizens of their civil rights and uphold the civil rights of terrorists, who aren't American citizens.
    It's almost as hilarious as hearing Cons, who talk about "God given rights" say the 8th Amendment doesn't apply to non-citizens. I guess there's a different God for them.


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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    " Osama's dead, GM lives "

    One of those was accomplished with "waterboarding " and the other was accomplished with borrowed tax payers monies.
    That's not what the thread's about, but nice try.


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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Now seeing as we just had a bombing in Boston, killing some and maiming many, many more, my question is this -- Is it not the duty of the US government to protect the citizens of these United States from aggression?
    Yes.


    That being asked, is it not justifiable to torture a few miscreants who were unfortunate enough to get caught being involved in this dirty business?
    No.

    1) It violates the Constitution.
    2) If you're talking about prisoners of war, it violates the Geneva Conventions.
    3) On a side note, torture doesn't work. The victim will only say whatever they think you want to hear. Relationship building, contrary to popular belief, is far more effective.


    Would not a few fingernails being yanked not be worth the price of saving a few dozen people from losing their legs?
    This is a false choice.

    You're not going to stop people from hating America by torturing people, and it's not going to provide any useful information anyway.


    Bush commited unpardonable sins during his administration but "knowingly ordered tortured" isn't one of them.
    He had an obligation to realize that his actions and orders would violate both US and international law, and he failed in that obligation. He also unilaterally declared that he could, with a word, imprison someone for life on the basis of a mere accusation.

    So yeah. I'd say he's culpable for those actions.

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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Ummm, sorry, but the "torture" which is included in the link doesn't exactly meet the same level as pulling out fingernails, high-voltage electric shocks, and other methods of interrogation typically considered torture. From the link:
    You are citing what Bush officials said at the time. That is not evidence. What the USA did violates international law.

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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Are you insinuating we currently torture members of our military?
    There's a specific program in the military called SERE which trains special ops soldiers in how to resist torture tactics.

    So... the answer is "yes."

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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's almost as hilarious as hearing Cons, who talk about "God given rights" say the 8th Amendment doesn't apply to non-citizens. I guess there's a different God for them.
    It doesn't apply to the enemy. The Supreme Court already said that. How do you like the law of the land now?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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