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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Waterboarding is not torture
    Lol, you can't logically argue that it's not. It is be every definition.

    That's not really the question. The question is whether it's right to do so.
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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Was there any doubt?

    Here is a question.

    There is a number of people in this world that would seek to do the people of this country harm. I know, I know, their justification is the reckless abandon the US military takes with civilian casualties in their countries, so they feel it is only right for them to seek out and target innocent civilians of the United States. What's good for the goose...

    Now seeing as we just had a bombing in Boston, killing some and maiming many, many more, my question is this -- Is it not the duty of the US government to protect the citizens of these United States from aggression? That being asked, is it not justifiable to torture a few miscreants who were unfortunate enough to get caught being involved in this dirty business?

    Would not a few fingernails being yanked not be worth the price of saving a few dozen people from losing their legs? A little water over the face not be worth that 8 year old's life?

    Do you think these people who commit these acts are simply misunderstood? That they can be talked to? Coddled? and all will be better?

    Bush commited unpardonable sins during his administration but "knowingly ordered tortured" isn't one of them.

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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I think we should test this claim by waterboarding conservatives to see if they might have any information about the Boston Marathon bombing.

    Meanwhile, conservatives can only question the source (not the facts) and deny what everybody knows -- waterboarding is beneath the dignity of the US, which is why conservative relish it.
    Waterboarding is not torture

    Let's see, what should we be more outraged by

    A sitting President who is pals with known terrorists, (Obama and Ayers/Doehrn) who has allowed multiple terrorists attacks to occur on US soil since he was elected. Ft Hood. Boston, ect. and who also allowed our ambassador and 3 other Americans to be murdered with yet another terrorist attack in benghazi on our embassy and has yet to bring the perps to justice. He still won't call Ft Hood a terrorist attack either.

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    A President who waterboarded known terrorists to extract intelligence which not only assisted in the killing of OBL but also prevented further terrorists attacks on US during his watch

    The NYT and the radical left's attempt to get on their moral high horse here is laughable. Nothing more needs to be said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Lol, you can't logically argue that it's not. It is be every definition.

    That's not really the question. The question is whether it's right to do so.
    Waterboarding is not torture

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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post


    Waterboarding is not torture
    Repeating it does not make it true.

    Let's take a look at the definition of torture, shall we?

    Here we go:

    "tor·ture (tôrchr)
    n.
    1.
    a. Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
    b. An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain.
    2. Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense.
    3. Something causing severe pain or anguish."

    Now, does water boarding cause mental pain/anguish?

    Let's ask Mr. Hitchens: [WARNING: WATER BOARDING VIDEO]



    Now, skip to the 4:05 mark to hear Htichen's words.

    Now, let's try another: A conservative "Mancow" Muller



    So yeah.
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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Repeating it does not make it true.

    Let's take a look at the definition of torture, shall we?

    Here we go:

    "tor·ture (tôrchr)
    n.
    1.
    a. Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
    b. An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain.
    2. Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense.
    3. Something causing severe pain or anguish."

    Now, does water boarding cause mental pain/anguish?

    Let's ask Mr. Hitchens: [WARNING: WATER BOARDING VIDEO]



    Now, skip to the 4:05 mark to hear Htichen's words.

    Now, let's try another: A conservative "Mancow" Muller



    So yeah.
    Waterboarding is not torture. It doesn't cause permanent injury.

    If Obama waterboarded Rush Limbaugh the Left would rationalize it and justify it. They would applaud it.

    Hitchens and Mancow? gtfo

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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Waterboarding is not torture. It doesn't cause permanent injury.
    The torture does not require permanent injury to be classified as torture. And even so, it's easy to argue one will never forget the feeling of being water boarded.

    If Obama waterboarded Rush Limbaugh the Left would rationalize it and justify it. They would applaud it.
    No, they would not. You're desperate.

    Hitchens and Mancow? gtfo
    Why? Mancow, who had the guts to actually walk the walk? And Hitchens, one of the most brilliant minds in the past few decades?
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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    The torture does not require permanent injury to be classified as torture. And even so, it's easy to argue one will never forget the feeling of being water boarded.
    There isn't even an immediate health risk associated with it


    No, they would not. You're desperate.
    Of course they would. Look at the cheering at Thatcher's death. If a prominent conservative was waterboarded, people like you would laugh and cheer


    Why? Mancow, who had the guts to actually walk the walk? And Hitchens, one of the most brilliant minds in the past few decades?
    gtfo

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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    There isn't even an immediate health risk associated with it
    It's called mental health broski.

    Let me google that for you


    Of course they would. Look at the cheering at Thatcher's death. If a prominent conservative was waterboarded, people like you would laugh and cheer
    No, they wouldn't. and Certainly not me. I don't hold a passionate despise for those on the other side, unlike you.




    gtfo
    No rebuttal. Just weave, dodge, and ignore. You're getting predictable.
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    Re: Nonpartisan review concludes Bush knowingly ordered torture

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    It's called mental health broski.

    Let me google that for you
    Oh please

    Poor little terrorist might get PTSD or something

    No, they wouldn't. and Certainly not me. I don't hold a passionate despise for those on the other side, unlike you.
    Sure you would. The Left has no class. They always cheer when a Conservative dies or gets seriously injured. If Rush Limbaugh was waterboarded they'd make it a pay per view event

    No rebuttal. Just weave, dodge, and ignore. You're getting predictable.
    There was nothing to rebut. Your premise is a joke.

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