Page 6 of 7 FirstFirst ... 4567 LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 64

Thread: Ron Paul to Launch Foreign Policy Institute.....

  1. #51
    Struggler
    JayDubya's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Last Seen
    11-09-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    17,181

    Re: Ron Paul to Launch Foreign Policy Institute.....

    And maybe you should come up with some rhetoric that isn't lying or flamebaiting... frankly at this point, having had the definition of isolationism explained to you, it's progressed to simply trolling. You know what you're saying is false.

  2. #52
    Advisor
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Last Seen
    01-19-14 @ 04:11 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    459

    Re: Ron Paul to Launch Foreign Policy Institute.....

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Rand Paul is the Senator. Ron Paul is a former Congressman.
    Edit: At Least he gave speeches worth listening too in congress

  3. #53
    Advisor
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Last Seen
    01-19-14 @ 04:11 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    459

    Re: Ron Paul to Launch Foreign Policy Institute.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Yes. Jefferson said that in 1801, which was a couple years before he declared America's first war. Being neutral was, and is, never a viable real life possibility in foreign policy; the 'Founders' never achieved it, and never practiced it, despite the citing of isolated quotes and speeches they made as politicians.
    Yes but against Barbary Pirates who demanded tributes from US ships.

    He kept good relations with Napoleon's France, the Dutch, and Spain. Powerful empires at the time.
    He kept America out of war with the European Imperial empires and scored the Louisiana Purchase.

    His relations with British Empire didn't fair so well but relations weren't really that good from 1783 up until 1917.

  4. #54
    Sage
    Geoist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    9,916

    Re: Ron Paul to Launch Foreign Policy Institute.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Nice try, but no cigar. What's hilarious is that, when asked what Paul's position is on international relations, the only response is that he believes in trade and diplomacy. Brilliant. So does every reasonably intelligent 7th grader. You Libertarians need to come up with something other than personal greed and isolationism as your philosophy.
    Not everyone believes in free trade and/or diplomatic relations with other countries. Dictators and protectionists tend to be isolationists.

    If you believe in trade and diplomacy then you are not an isolationist. Period. Not that hard to understand.
    Last edited by Geoist; 04-17-13 at 11:18 AM.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
    http://www.wealthandwant.com/

  5. #55
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Last Seen
    11-29-16 @ 07:28 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    1,441

    Re: Ron Paul to Launch Foreign Policy Institute.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Was there an actual rebuttal in this rant? What does this have to do with isolationism vs non-interventionism?
    It's rebuttal of Ron Paul's latest scam, and isn't a 'rant', nor has the topic segued into isolationism vs non-interventionism just because his fans say so.

  6. #56
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Last Seen
    11-29-16 @ 07:28 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    1,441

    Re: Ron Paul to Launch Foreign Policy Institute.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Joechilli View Post
    Yes but against Barbary Pirates who demanded tributes from US ships.

    He kept good relations with Napoleon's France, the Dutch, and Spain. Powerful empires at the time.
    He kept America out of war with the European Imperial empires and scored the Louisiana Purchase.

    His relations with British Empire didn't fair so well but relations weren't really that good from 1783 up until 1917.
    Worthy of a History Forum topic. It would be pointless to discuss it here in Tard Town Central. I wouldn't say his relations were good, more like necessary concessions to larger powers, and not really 'neutral'; the attempt at 'neutrality' was a hope that the U.S. could trade with both sides without interference from either of them. That didn't work.
    Last edited by Oberon; 04-17-13 at 02:09 PM.

  7. #57
    Sage
    Geoist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    9,916

    Re: Ron Paul to Launch Foreign Policy Institute.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    It's rebuttal of Ron Paul's latest scam, and isn't a 'rant', nor has the topic segued into isolationism vs non-interventionism just because his fans say so.
    A poster implied that he has no foreign policy, which is not true of non-interventionists. I did not bring it up (nor am I a big fan of Paul, though I find myself defending him often against ignorant posts).

    You responded to my post with an argument that he is doing this for the money... which had nothing to do with my initial response.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
    http://www.wealthandwant.com/

  8. #58
    Advisor
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Last Seen
    01-19-14 @ 04:11 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    459

    Re: Ron Paul to Launch Foreign Policy Institute.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Worthy of a History Forum topic. It would be pointless to discuss it here in Tard Town Central. I wouldn't say his relations were good, more like necessary concessions to larger powers, and not really 'neutral'; the attempt at 'neutrality' was a hope that the U.S. could trade with both sides without interference from either of them. That didn't work.
    As for derailing a thread I would agree, but you only need to look at his plays for the survival of democracy ( Not dissimilar too Finland in WW2) to realise that Jefferson for the most part improved the fledgling free colonies with his pragmatic libertarian time served.

    Obviously he was not part of the more neo-con era where Presidents can invade 2 countries at once. But none the less his politics paid dividend in the time of Imperial empires who were not that dissimilar in tactics.
    Last edited by Joechilli; 04-17-13 at 05:26 PM.

  9. #59
    Advisor
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Last Seen
    01-19-14 @ 04:11 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    459

    Re: Ron Paul to Launch Foreign Policy Institute.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    It's rebuttal of Ron Paul's latest scam, and isn't a 'rant', nor has the topic segued into isolationism vs non-interventionism just because his fans say so.
    Latest Scam? Are you looking to turn Ron Paul into a neocon?

    Back up your claim/con

  10. #60
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Last Seen
    11-29-16 @ 07:28 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    1,441

    Re: Ron Paul to Launch Foreign Policy Institute.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Joechilli View Post
    As for derailing a thread I would agree, but you only need to look at his plays for the survival of democracy ( Not dissimilar too Finland in WW2) to realise that Jefferson for the most part improved the fledgling free colonies with his pragmatic libertarian time served.
    Jefferson was never a 'libertarian', not ever. His second term as President was in practice a military dictatorship, enforcing an embargo to boot. He had little to do with the Jay Treaty, and he was opposed to universal suffrage, hardly a 'libertarian' policy, and owned around 600 slaves, of which he would have 10 year olds in his nail factory whipped for not producing enough nails or other 'infractions' like 'disobedience'.

    Obviously he was not part of the more neo-con era where Presidents can invade 2 countries at once. But none the less his politics paid dividend in the time of Imperial empires who were not that dissimilar in tactics.
    His polices led directly to war; just because the war fell under the next President's watch doesn't absolve him. You seem to think those empires were letting him choose something.

Page 6 of 7 FirstFirst ... 4567 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •