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    Re: Was the Judge right or wrong?

    Other children have a right to go to school and not be violently beaten. This child is clearly a threat and danger to others and as such I have no problem with her being expelled from public/county schools.

    I also agree that she should also probably be in jail or at least doing community service.
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    Re: Judge's ban of student from Duval public schools to be challenged

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Judge's ban of student from Duval public schools to be challenged | firstcoastnews.com


    In a nutshell, a 14 year old girl beats another 14 year old girl to a pulp. The victim ends up with a skull fracture and a severe concussion. The Judge removed the offender from all Duval County public schools, but the mother is fighting the ruling, saying she can't afford private school or home-schooling for the daughter. The Judge's position is that, if this girl is capable of such a severe beating on another person, changing schools isn't going to help. What do you think? Should she be allowed to change schools, or should she be pulled completely?
    Not only should she not be allowed back into the schools, she should be in jail as an adult.
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    Re: Was the Judge right or wrong?

    Horrible call on the judge's part not to put her in a juvenille detention facility. If she's too dangerous to be in the public school system, she should be in a juvenille detention facility.

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    Re: Was the Judge right or wrong?

    She should be jailed as others have said, however, I would add that jailing her should only be after a determination of he ability to control her emotions and her emotional development to determine how much of a threat she is to others. If she is a threat to others due to emotional issues, then she needs to be institutionalized until she is either cured or dies. Is she a sociopath that cannot be cured or rehabilitated? If so, jail is not the proper place for her, an institution is the correct place.
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    Re: Was the Judge right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    We don't know, but what if the mother is the only one working to support this 14 year old. Telling the mother to home-school might mean going on welfare, except for the fact that she probably wouldn't get any welfare if she voluntarily quit working.
    Home school classes can be taught at any time - not just during working hours. Also, at 14, the girl should be able to be left home alone, so the mother could give her work to do and check it for her when she gets home. It can be done. Not easily, of course, but at some point, sacrifices are going to have to be made.
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    Re: Was the Judge right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Home school classes can be taught at any time - not just during working hours. Also, at 14, the girl should be able to be left home alone, so the mother could give her work to do and check it for her when she gets home. It can be done. Not easily, of course, but at some point, sacrifices are going to have to be made.
    You have a teenager who has already demonstrated a serious lack of control. Do you really think she is going to stay in the house if there is no one who is physically capable of restraining her?

    Of course, home schooling can be done at any hour but what if the parent is working 12-14 hours a day, working two different jobs? Do you think they would have the energy to work with the teen?

    My points are speculative as none of us know the actual situation but they are questions that would need to be answered before promoting home schooling.

    In this case, it does appear that placing the teen in a hospital or institution for psychological evaluation would be the best start. But that costs money - who is going to pay for it?
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    Re: Was the Judge right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You have a teenager who has already demonstrated a serious lack of control. Do you really think she is going to stay in the house if there is no one who is physically capable of restraining her?

    Of course, home schooling can be done at any hour but what if the parent is working 12-14 hours a day, working two different jobs? Do you think they would have the energy to work with the teen?

    My points are speculative as none of us know the actual situation but they are questions that would need to be answered before promoting home schooling.
    Well, we could always go with the alternative - jail. It's the best obvious situation for all involved anyway.

    In this case, it does appear that placing the teen in a hospital or institution for psychological evaluation would be the best start. But that costs money - who is going to pay for it?
    Are we going to hospitalize every juvenile who acts out, bullies and beats the hell out of someone else? The kid is mean. She's just mean. She's a bully. She's lucky she's not in jail. That's where she should be.
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    Re: Was the Judge right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Well, we could always go with the alternative - jail. It's the best obvious situation for all involved anyway.



    Are we going to hospitalize every juvenile who acts out, bullies and beats the hell out of someone else? The kid is mean. She's just mean. She's a bully. She's lucky she's not in jail. That's where she should be.

    Sorry but you are exhibiting the type of thinking which has led to the US having the highest incarceration rate in the world, all the while we lead the industrialised nations in violent crime. And please don't bother to cite the old study which says Great Britain has a higher violent crime rate - the British definition of "violent crime" is not the same as the one used by the US.


    Teenagers don't have the same brains as adults. This one teenager MAY be a sociopathic personality but none of us know, there may be other causes for her violent behaviour - causes that could disappear as she matures. Placing her in a jail is not the way to determine the best course of action for her future.
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    Re: Was the Judge right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Sorry but you are exhibiting the type of thinking which has led to the US having the highest incarceration rate in the world, all the while we lead the industrialised nations in violent crime. And please don't bother to cite the old study which says Great Britain has a higher violent crime rate - the British definition of "violent crime" is not the same as the one used by the US.


    Teenagers don't have the same brains as adults. This one teenager MAY be a sociopathic personality but none of us know, there may be other causes for her violent behaviour - causes that could disappear as she matures. Placing her in a jail is not the way to determine the best course of action for her future.
    OK what about the teenagers here in Brunswick who shot an 18 month old baby in the face last month. They are teenagers, so their brains aren't the same as ours. Are you saying that they shouldn't be jailed, either? You are advocating keeping what is obviously a violent person out of jail, and in the hospital. By your logic, there should be NO teenagers that are in jail. Amirite?
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    Re: Was the Judge right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Absolutely, this kid needs to be put in a juvenile facility where she can not only receive the schooling she needs, but also the psychiatric counseling she so obviously requires.

    So yeah, the judge was wrong. He tossed an adolescent pirahna back into the aquarium filled with prey.
    If you read the story, the charges for the assault were not within the purview of this judge. He was responding to a petition to the court to keep the bully from attending the school where the girl she had beaten goes to school and the judge went beyond the request of the petition to bar the child from any school in the county. In other words, he did as much as he possibly could to protect children. he could not bar her from attending public schools outside of jurisdiction, nor could he sentence her for the assault.

    Meanwhile, the attacker, who's name is Paris Cannon, has been charged with felony assault, so the school ban ruling may be a moot point as the child may well be in juvenile detention very soon. But I don't think it goes beyond the judges auspices to ban her from all Duval COunty schools pending the outcome of the trial, allthough that is the argument being made by the attackers lawyers.

    Maybe that lawyer money (or pro-bono charity) should be used to provide the girl with a private education instead of legal rappeals???

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