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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

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    A little shake up ???

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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    They aren't even cuts. They are just slowing the growth.
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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There are a few truisms about Obama:
    1. Liberals will never turn on him no matter what he does.
    2. He is related to Dick Cheney and they are of like minds.
    I don't know that #1 holds anymore, especially since he's in his second term and unelectable. As we get closer to the long ramp up to election 2016 I think you see more distance made between the current POTUS and those who wish to be candidates from the same party.

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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

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    Outraged Liberals Are Threatening To Turn On Obama Over Social Security Cuts - Business Insider



    Even a very mild cut in entitlements is anathema to these people. I guess it simply comes down to whether or not they get "their" money. They could care less what else is at stake; whether their own children and grandchildren will have a pot to pee in.

    Republicans should take note here of the willingness these people are showing to compromise and realize that the way forward will not be one of butterflies and unicorns.
    You've left out a huge part of the argument.

    There is enormous disagreement over the validity of the uses for which Obama is cutting their final years of income. You're characterizing as selfish, people who have worked for this country and paid into our system their entire lives and now Obama wants to reduce the quality of their final years so that he can reward new arrival Mexicans with huge families, who have no loyalty to this country at all, buy off unions so that they vote for Democrats, reward other countries that Obama prefers over America, etc., etc.

    Do not blame decent people as unwilling to participate in shared sacrifice, if they are disgusted with what they are being penalized to sacrifice for. Obama prefers to keep his programs secret because they would outrage decent Americans.

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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    You've left out a huge part of the argument.

    There is enormous disagreement over the validity of the uses for which Obama is cutting their final years of income. You're characterizing as selfish, people who have worked for this country and paid into our system their entire lives and now Obama wants to reduce the quality of their final years so that he can reward new arrival Mexicans with huge families, who have no loyalty to this country at all, buy off unions so that they vote for Democrats, reward other countries that Obama prefers over America, etc., etc.

    Do not blame decent people as unwilling to participate in shared sacrifice, if they are disgusted with what they are being penalized to sacrifice for. Obama prefers to keep his programs secret because they would outrage decent Americans.
    So what you're saying is, welfare programs are fine as long as I like them.

    Seriously, you guys have been going on and on about "cut entitlements, cut entitlements." Now Obama proposes cutting entitlements and....this. With all the talk of "buying Democratic votes" you're sounding jealous that he's not out buying Republican votes.


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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Outraged Liberals Are Threatening To Turn On Obama Over Social Security Cuts - Business Insider



    Even a very mild cut in entitlements is anathema to these people. I guess it simply comes down to whether or not they get "their" money. They could care less what else is at stake; whether their own children and grandchildren will have a pot to pee in.

    Republicans should take note here of the willingness these people are showing to compromise and realize that the way forward will not be one of butterflies and unicorns.
    It is not really a cut per se, it is a bit of a decrease in the amount of increase. Personally I would like to see the retirement age raised. From what it is now, 62-67 to 65-70. When FDR set the retirement age at 65 to draw full benefits, that was the average age an American lived to. In other words half of Americans would never live that long to collect SS. If that applied to day, what would the age be, 75-77 I think.

    The increase in retirement age can be phased in like they did when the government raised the age from 65 to 67. What we are seeing now is the people wanting 100% of everything even if it means leaving nothing to their children and grand children. It seems some would be perfectly happy to bankrupt SS in the future as long as they gets theirs today. I also think raising the cap to $200,000 would be a good idea.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I don't know that #1 holds anymore, especially since he's in his second term and unelectable. As we get closer to the long ramp up to election 2016 I think you see more distance made between the current POTUS and those who wish to be candidates from the same party.
    You may have a good point there. I seen it happen to LBJ in 1968 when most of the Democratic party turned against him, especially on Vietnam. In 1980 most of the democratic congressmen put distance between themselves and Jimmy Carter.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is not really a cut per se, it is a bit of a decrease in the amount of increase. Personally I would like to see the retirement age raised. From what it is now, 62-67 to 65-70. When FDR set the retirement age at 65 to draw full benefits, that was the average age an American lived to. In other words half of Americans would never live that long to collect SS. If that applied to day, what would the age be, 75-77 I think.

    The increase in retirement age can be phased in like they did when the government raised the age from 65 to 67. What we are seeing now is the people wanting 100% of everything even if it means leaving nothing to their children and grand children. It seems some would be perfectly happy to bankrupt SS in the future as long as they gets theirs today. I also think raising the cap to $200,000 would be a good idea.
    Good evening, Pero.

    I agree, but using logic to make your argument seems so...I don't know...out of sync with the times, somehow! People just aren't sure exactly what to argue with you about....

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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good evening, Pero.

    I agree, but using logic to make your argument seems so...I don't know...out of sync with the times, somehow! People just aren't sure exactly what to argue with you about....
    Thanks for the compliment Pol. What we have in Washington D.C. is each party too worried about the next election and not about America’s future. None of our presently elected officials can get past November of 2014. Well some can, but their horizon only goes to November of 2016. Anything past those two dates is someone else’s problem.

    If both of the major parties would start to think of America’s long term future, you would have a plethora of ideas floating around to solve this deficit/debt crisis. Some would be way out there, but others would be in the common sense area. If both parties, either party was serious about trying to solve this problem, they would be looking at Simson/Bowles, heck if they were serious, they would have implemented it as a starter to America’s long term financial health and to its future.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    You may have a good point there. I seen it happen to LBJ in 1968 when most of the Democratic party turned against him, especially on Vietnam. In 1980 most of the democratic congressmen put distance between themselves and Jimmy Carter.
    Good evening, Pero.

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