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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Outraged Liberals Are Threatening To Turn On Obama Over Social Security Cuts - Business Insider



    Even a very mild cut in entitlements is anathema to these people. I guess it simply comes down to whether or not they get "their" money. They could care less what else is at stake; whether their own children and grandchildren will have a pot to pee in.

    Republicans should take note here of the willingness these people are showing to compromise and realize that the way forward will not be one of butterflies and unicorns.
    Is this actually a cut to entitlements or simply a slowing of the growth in entitlements?

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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Well it's lower based on the idea of substitution. For a middle income family substitutions probably occurs I just think it's reasonable to assume that when you're talking about a lot of soon to be seniors (have very little to no savings) they already substituted down when they retired.
    But it's not the "idea" of substitution...it's actual substitution. The whole point of the CCPI is to adjust weights based on the actual changes in consumption. The current method adjusts the weights every 2 years. The CCPI adjusts weights every month.

    But you do have a point that the expenditure patterns are those of the general population and the patterns of the elderly will differ, especially when it comes to medical care and services.
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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    I will be directly effected by the CPI, but if this brings about the change that is needed to make SS more solvent for the future, then I support it.
    I believe the change is going to be as small as $50 a year at first.

    The "cut" is simply trimming the rate of inflation adjustment, its not an immediate cut to benefits.

    I don't understand the outrage here.

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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    But it's not the "idea" of substitution...it's actual substitution. The whole point of the CCPI is to adjust weights based on the actual changes in consumption. The current method adjusts the weights every 2 years. The CCPI adjusts weights every month.
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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    You are correct I was wrong.
    You'd think I'd get tired of hearing that from people, but I never do. Good thing I'm so incredibly humble.

    But you were right in your other points about elderly expenditure patterns. They are different and that's difficult to measure, and a concern of economists.
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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Bout damn time some true liberals and progressives got pissed over Obama... Took them long enough. A little shake up in the democratic party will be a good thing.


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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Once you are 65 your (personal, out of pocket) medical expenses are very low, much lower than before that age. So, that is no argument against these minuscule reductions in the rate of increase.

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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Some spending goes up, some goes down, overall my understanding is that it's supposed to trim 1 trillion off the deficit over 10 years.

    Republicans raise spending plenty, they just don't think anybody should pay for it. It's either "tax and spend" or "don't tax, but spend anyway."
    Its just kicking the can. 10 years from now we will have a new congress and President, so that should tell you Obama or congress don't give a rats ass about fixing anything. Rather than cut the fat, they just keep spending, then calling it balanced by raising taxes and counting on future gains as if they are a sure thing. Welcome to the slow death of America. We are too far in the wrong direction to turn back now. Similar to Japan, we will just sit here stagnant with no jobs.

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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Bout damn time some true liberals and progressives got pissed over Obama... Took them long enough. A little shake up in the democratic party will be a good thing.
    A little shake up ???

    All I see is MSNBC, Letterman, Stewart and Colbert cheerleading for these Council on Foreign Relations people - politicans and pundits - week after week, year after year. The same leaders like Hillary who voted for the Iraq war or like Angelina Jolie who is pushing for America to invade Syria.

    You know - the CFR guys always pushing new wars for the Military Insutrial Complex, like the Clintons, John Kerry, or authors like: Tom Friedman, Condoleezza Rice, Dan Rather, James Zogby, Bill Moyers, Jim Lehrer, Paul Krugman, Angelina Jolie, Katrina vanden Heuvel,editor of The Nation, Joe Biden, Peter Bergen of CNN, etc.

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    The Left Wing media has become so Elitist they can't tell what a warmonger is anymore. They're so busy leading the masses to knee-jerk, endless applause for war criminals, and the government stenograhers in the media, its worse than the army of gorillas in Planet of the Apes cheering on the enslavement of humans. I mean really, DemSocialist - you need to slow down and think before you write all these new threads. Try decaffeinated. Did you see that John Stewart episode where he was cheering America on to bomb Iran?

    It was disgusting.Thats why Stewart gets millions, for being a globalist shill and spokesmen for the NWO. And of course, he went out of his way to trash 9-11 Truth without ever giving anyone a chance to debate the issue.


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    Re: Outraged Liberals Say Obama Is About To Screw Over The People Who Got Him Elected

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    A little shake up ???

    All I see is MSNBC, Letterman, Stewart and Colbert cheerleading for these Council on Foreign Relations people - politicans and pundits - week after week, year after year. The same leaders like Hillary who voted for the Iraq war or like Angelina Jolie who is pushing for America to invade Syria.

    You know - the CFR guys always pushing new wars for the Military Insutrial Complex, like the Clintons, John Kerry, or authors like: Tom Friedman, Condoleezza Rice, Dan Rather, James Zogby, Bill Moyers, Jim Lehrer, Paul Krugman, Angelina Jolie, Katrina vanden Heuvel,editor of The Nation, Joe Biden, Peter Bergen of CNN, etc.

    Members of the Council on Foreign Relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    NWO SHILL AND LIAR




    The Left Wing media has become so Elitist they can't tell what a warmonger is anymore. They're so busy leading the masses to knee-jerk, endless applause for war criminals, and the government stenograhers in the media, its worse than the army of gorillas in Planet of the Apes cheering on the enslavement of humans. I mean really, DemSocialist - you need to slow down and think before you write all these new threads. Try decaffeinated. Did you see that John Stewart episode where he was cheering America on to bomb Iran?

    It was disgusting.Thats why Stewart gets millions, for being a globalist shill and spokesmen for the NWO. And of course, he went out of his way to trash 9-11 Truth without ever giving anyone a chance to debate the issue.


    I keep saying: You want an example of a completely dysfunctional democracy, look no further than the best example---------The vote on the Iraq War................

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