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    Classified Report Shows America's Drones Aren't Just Killing Al Qaeda Members

    The Obama administration's drone attacks have not just targeted Al Qaeda leaders, but a wide variety of groups and individuals in Pakistan, according to classified intelligence documents obtained by McClatchy's Jonathan Landay.
    "At least 265 of up to 482 people who the U.S. intelligence reports estimated the CIA killed during a 12-month period ending in September 2011 were not senior al Qaida leaders but instead were 'assessed' as Afghan, Pakistani and unknown extremists," Landay writes in the story, published today.


    Read more @:Classified Report Shows America's Drones Aren't Just Killing Al Qaeda Members - Alexis C. Madrigal - The Atlantic

    An "unknown extremist"? WTF... Looks like yet again we have been lied to on the "drone war"


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    Re: Classified Report Shows America's Drones Aren't Just Killing Al Qaeda Members

    Why would we only kill terrorists from one particular group?

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    Re: Classified Report Shows America's Drones Aren't Just Killing Al Qaeda Members

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Why would we only kill terrorists from one particular group?
    So whats an "unknown extremist"?
    Seems like a very very broad term to me.
    None of the less seems like the gov got caught up in their lies...
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    Re: Classified Report Shows America's Drones Aren't Just Killing Al Qaeda Members

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So whats an "unknown extremist"?
    Seems like a very very broad term to me.
    None of the less seems like the gov got caught up in their lies...
    Its just a bad comma placement.

    "were 'assessed' as Afghan, Pakistani and unknown extremists"

    is actually

    "were 'assessed' as Afghan extremists, Pakistani extermists, and unknown country origin extremists"

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    Re: Classified Report Shows America's Drones Aren't Just Killing Al Qaeda Members

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So whats an "unknown extremist"?
    Seems like a very very broad term to me.
    None of the less seems like the gov got caught up in their lies...
    That would be a terrorist, known and confirmed, that is not a member of AlQ. I seriously doubt it means "anyone they feel like droning".

    Are you under the impression that only AlQ members should be targeted and other terrorists should be ignored?

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    Re: Classified Report Shows America's Drones Aren't Just Killing Al Qaeda Members

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That would be a terrorist, known and confirmed, that is not a member of AlQ. I seriously doubt it means "anyone they feel like droning".
    Really? If they are a terrorist then why give them the title "unknown"


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    Re: Classified Report Shows America's Drones Aren't Just Killing Al Qaeda Members

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Really? If they are a terrorist then why give them the title "unknown"
    Because the specific organization or cell that they serve is not AlQ but another group, and which group is unknown. It does not mean that their terrorist status is unknown, merely their specific affiliation. I figure there are many small groups that interact with AlQ.

    Were you confused and thinking that unknown meant the person's status as a terrorist or involvement in terrorism is unknown? I think that's illogical and I believe you will as well once you've examined the context.

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    Re: Classified Report Shows America's Drones Aren't Just Killing Al Qaeda Members

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Really? If they are a terrorist then why give them the title "unknown"
    "were 'assessed' as Afghan extremists, Pakistani extermists, and unknown country origin extremists"

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    Re: Classified Report Shows America's Drones Aren't Just Killing Al Qaeda Members

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Because the specific organization or cell that they serve is not AlQ but another group, and which group is unknown. It does not mean that their terrorist status is unknown, merely their specific affiliation. I figure there are many small groups that interact with AlQ.

    Were you confused and thinking that unknown meant the person's status as a terrorist or involvement in terrorism is unknown? I think that's illogical and I believe you will as well once you've examined the context.
    So why the need to lie about targets then?


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    Re: Classified Report Shows America's Drones Aren't Just Killing Al Qaeda Members

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So why the need to lie about targets then?
    No one is lying about anything. As the title of your article clearly states: not only AlQ is killed by drone strikes. Other terrorists that are not specifically AlQ are targeted, and their specific cell or organization is unknown. In most cases, this is probably because the cell or organization is too small and there simply is not much knowledge about the specific group. I also expect that groups are rather fluid, changing organization titles as members flow between regions and organization shifts to accomodate casualties.

    I really don't quite see how one could misconstrue "not all people targeted with drones are AlQ" into "the US targets people that it knows nothing about". Honestly, such a confusion is absurd and almost must be taken as intentional intellectual dishonesty.

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