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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    If I were pro-control I would come right out in support of universal registration so as to make a tax to pay for stronger undercover enforcement, just like we register cars to make a tax to pay for roads.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You linked to an undercover investigator. This is exactly like police departments who use highschool kids to try and buy cigarettes so they can catch the vendors who are braking the law. That's how you enforce these things.


    In post #17 you said it wouldn't help prevent gun crime.

    Background checks are about registration, why can't you just be up front about that?
    I think most gungrabbers know that they would never be able to get any useful public support if they were open and honest about their motives and intentions.
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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    What the hell are you talking about?
    Sounds like gridlock to me! :

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Its about keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unstable and felons. How is that not common sense legislation?
    Government has too much power, which it has already abused, as far as determining who are “mentally unstable and felons” for the purpose of denying a basic Constitutional right, which the Constitution asserts as belong to all of “the people”, without any stated exception for “mentally unstable and felons”.
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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I think most gungrabbers know that they would never be able to get any useful public support if they were open and honest about their motives and intentions.
    Which is why the hell they can't talk about it.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I think most gungrabbers know that they would never be able to get any useful public support if they were open and honest about their motives and intentions.
    Then gun-grabbers underestimate the power of the low information voter.

    Gun grabbers don't understand how low information voters work. It has nothing at all to do with the content or substance of your actions. By definition, low information voters neither know nor care about facts and substance.

    They care about appearance and feel.

    'Register guns just like we register cars so we can fund law enforcement the way we fund road maintenance'; BAM I just sold it in a soundbite. Clear, concise, logical.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Then gun-grabbers underestimate the power of the low information voter.

    Gun grabbers don't understand how low information voters work. It has nothing at all to do with the content or substance of your actions. By definition, low information voters neither know nor care about facts and substance.

    They care about appearance and feel.

    'Register guns just like we register cars so we can fund law enforcement the way we fund road maintenance'; BAM I just sold it in a soundbite. Clear, concise, logical.
    Now you're scaring me, because that's probably the clear, concise, logical, not to mention dishonest, way it might be sold to the low information voter!

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    4 mins ago -

    Pat Toomey, R-Pennsylvania - "The bottom line for me is this: If expanding background checks to include gun shows and Internet sales can reduce the likelihood of criminals and mentally ill people from getting guns and we can do it in a fashion that does not infringe on the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens, then we should do it, and in this amendment I think we do," Toomey told reporters on Wednesday.

    Manchin noted that the proposal meant that firearms buyers at gun shows would face the same background check currently required in sales by federally licensed gun dealers. In addition, it would close a loophole that exempts intrastate gun sales on the Internet from requiring a background check, he said."

    Compromise sets up likely Senate debate on gun laws - CNN.com
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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

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    Pat Toomey, R-Pennsylvania - "The bottom line for me is this: If expanding background checks to include gun shows and Internet sales can reduce the likelihood of criminals and mentally ill people from getting guns and we can do it in a fashion that does not infringe on the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens, then we should do it, and in this amendment I think we do," Toomey told reporters on Wednesday.

    Manchin noted that the proposal meant that firearms buyers at gun shows would face the same background check currently required in sales by federally licensed gun dealers. In addition, it would close a loophole that exempts intrastate gun sales on the Internet from requiring a background check, he said."

    Compromise sets up likely Senate debate on gun laws - CNN.com
    I bought a gun online. It had to be shipped to an FFL. The FFL performed NICS when I went to pick it up. That's existing federal law.

    No one goes to e-bay and then UPS delivers a gun to their home the next day. That doesn't happen. Not between different states, not within the same state, not anywhere.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I bought a gun online. It had to be shipped to an FFL. The FFL performed NICS when I went to pick it up. That's existing federal law.

    No one goes to e-bay and then UPS delivers a gun to their home the next day. That doesn't happen. Not between different states, not within the same state, not anywhere.
    "Easy firearm sales over the Internet, through classified sites like Craigslist, may be to blame for a significant amount of the nation’s gun crime, thanks to a loophole in federal firearm regulations that some private arms sellers are taking advantage of, according to a new investigation released Wednesday.

    In a probe of illegal online firearm sales conducted by the City of New York, undercover investigators found that 62% of private gun sellers they interacted with were willing to sell guns to a buyer who said he could not pass a background check."



    Read more: Investigation: Illegal Gun Buyers Have an Easy Time Online | TIME.com
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