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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It is illegal and your own video even says it's illegal:

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    No one, not you or me or anyone at a gun show, is allowed to knowingly sell to criminals. The undercover investigator said "I probably couldn't pass [NICS] anyway..." and the vendor responds with "I don't car". That vendor was braking existing law.
    "Subsequent news analysis indicated that individuals could not actually buy a fully automatic firearm at gun shows without lengthy background checks and approvals, although purchases of non-automatic firearms are legal in most jurisdictions without a criminal background check, if purchased from a private seller who is not in the business of regularly selling firearms"
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    Depends on the jurisdiction


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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It is illegal and your own video even says it's illegal:

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    No one, not you or me or anyone at a gun show, is allowed to knowingly sell to criminals.
    So it is illegal to sell a gun to someone you THINK is a felon. Is that a joke law? How do you prove what someone is thinking? It is certainly totally unenforceable . Undoubtably that was the aim of who ever wrote it.
    It is just like the strawman purchase laws in Arizona.... there you must sign a paper saying the purchase is for you... only it's legal to change your mind as you walk out the door and sell it to whomever you want in the parking lot of the gun store. As long as you don't THINK he is a felon of course.
    Now I see why you all say we don't enforce the laws we have now. It's a joke on the rest of us. They are unenforceable and specifically written that way. LOL
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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    "Subsequent news analysis indicated that individuals could not actually buy a fully automatic firearm at gun shows without lengthy background checks and approvals, although purchases of non-automatic firearms are legal in most jurisdictions without a criminal background check, if purchased from a private seller who is not in the business of regularly selling firearms"
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    Depends on the jurisdiction
    We're not talking about fully automatic firearms because those have been banned since 1987 with the Hughes Amendment. There's a mountain of paperwork involved in buying a full-auto firearm, and even then you cannot buy a full-auto made after 1987. Full-autos cost upwards of $20,000, require a Class-3 FFL with the $200 tax stamp, FBI finger prints, and the signature of your local Sheriff. You cannot buy full-auto firearms at gun shows.

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    No one is going into a gun show and walking out with a machine gun with no questions asked. Even if a Class-3 vendor were showing full-auto weapons for sale, the transaction itself literally take between 6 to 18 months to complete before the buyer can take possession of the gun.
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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I guess you get to keep your guns, no magazine limit, no assault weapons ban. IMO seems to be a big win for the right.
    In the same sense that if a robber takes my wife's purse, it's a win for me if I am allowed to keep my wallet.
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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    We're not talking about fully automatic firearms because those have been banned since 1987 with the Hughes Amendment. There's a mountain of paperwork involved in buying a full-auto firearm, and even then you cannot buy a full-auto made after 1987. Full-autos cost upwards of $20,000, require a Class-3 FFL with the $200 tax stamp, FBI finger prints, and the signature of your local Sheriff. You cannot buy full-auto firearms at gun shows.

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    Keep on reading: "although purchases of non-automatic firearms are legal in most jurisdictions without a criminal background check, if purchased from a private seller who is not in the business of regularly selling firearms"


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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    In the same sense that if a robber takes my wife's purse, it's a win for me if I am allowed to keep my wallet.
    I love these. First its rape now its theft! Love it!
    so this is what im getting from all this: "we didnt get everything we wanted (or didnt want)"


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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Keep on reading: "although purchases of non-automatic firearms are legal in most jurisdictions without a criminal background check, if purchased from a private seller who is not in the business of regularly selling firearms"
    That's not a full-auto firearm. Your video was not about full-auto firearms.

    And it's still illegal to sell when you think the buyer wouldn't pass NICS.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So it is illegal to sell a gun to someone you THINK is a felon. Is that a joke law? How do you prove what someone is thinking?
    In this case we have it on video.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Now I see why you all say we don't enforce the laws we have now. It's a joke on the rest of us. They are unenforceable and specifically written that way. LOL
    That's right, these laws are written in such a way that they cannot be enforced. Like this new NICS for private sales: that law cannot be enforced....without registration of all firearms. Registration is the goal, because you have to have registration in order to carry out confiscation.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's not a full-auto firearm. Your video was not about full-auto firearms.
    The rest of the quote talks about "NON-automatic" firearms. The video talks about all guns semi auto and auto guns alike.


    And it's still illegal to sell when you think the buyer wouldn't pass NICS.

    "Thinks".
    Talking about making a law weak on purpose.


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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Its looking pretty good that there will actually be a vote on this in the Senate and each Senator is going to have to take a stand on background checks, one way or the other. This going to be interesting and could have residual effects in the 2014 election!
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