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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    You already have to do a background check when you buy a gun online. If you see a gun you want online, and you buy it, the seller has to send the gun to an FFL in your area, not to your house, and that FFL will do an ATF form 4473 and NICS to transfer it to you. I don't see what a new law would change about online purchases.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    The big news today -

    Gun Control Bill Clears First Hurdle In Senate

    "The first national gun control legislation since the Dec. 14 school shooting in Newtown, Conn., is going to be debated on the floor of the Senate and appears headed for a vote sometime next week.
    Supporters in the Senate on Thursday morning rounded up more than the 60 votes necessary to clear a procedural hurdle that could have held up consideration of the Democratic-crafted package. The vote was 68-31 in favor of blocking a bid by some Republicans to filibuster the legislation."

    Gun Control Bill Clears First Hurdle In Senate : The Two-Way : NPR
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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The big news today -

    Gun Control Bill Clears First Hurdle In Senate


    "The first national gun control legislation since the Dec. 14 school shooting in Newtown, Conn., is going to be debated on the floor of the Senate and appears headed for a vote sometime next week.
    Supporters in the Senate on Thursday morning rounded up more than the 60 votes necessary to clear a procedural hurdle that could have held up consideration of the Democratic-crafted package. The vote was 68-31 in favor of blocking a bid by some Republicans to filibuster the legislation."

    Gun Control Bill Clears First Hurdle In Senate : The Two-Way : NPR
    How would this bill have prevented the Sandy Hoot shooting?

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    How would this bill have prevented the Sandy Hoot shooting?
    You are thinking about the large capacity magazine ban. That is not being voted on, unless it is added as an amendment. The purpose of the background checks is to reduce the number of guns sold across the country with no questions asked.
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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are thinking about the large capacity magazine ban. That is not being voted on, unless it is added as an amendment. The purpose of the background checks is to reduce the number of guns sold across the country with no questions asked.
    Your link mentions Sandy Hook. How is Sandy Hook relevant to the deal being struck? The guns Adam Lansa used were not bought online or at gun shows, so I don't see the connection.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    How would this bill have prevented the Sandy Hoot shooting?
    It would have had ZERO affect, but it is "gun control", so it is "good" anyway for those seeking to create national gun registration database. This bill makes it a crime to sell (transfer) any gun not via a FFL dealer "recorded" transaction 180 days after its passage.
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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It would have had ZERO affect, but it is "gun control", so it is "good" anyway for those seeking to create national gun registration database. This bill makes it a crime to sell (transfer) any gun not via a FFL dealer "recorded" transaction 180 days after its passage.
    The rifle Lansa used was bought from an FFL, was assault weapon ban compliant, and was registered to it's lawful owner.

    Yet all that gun control didn't stop the Sandy Hook shooting.

    How is applying the same failed rules elsewhere any kind of answer to Sandy Hook?

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The rifle Lansa used was bought from an FFL, was assault weapon ban compliant, and was registered to it's lawful owner.

    Yet all that gun control didn't stop the Sandy Hook shooting.

    How is applying the same failed rules elsewhere any kind of answer to Sandy Hook?
    It is not about preventing anything; it is about forcing ALL private gun sales to go through a FFL dealer (for a TBD fee). It is designed to create a national database of all gun sales/ownership. Once you are the gun "owner of record" you then must report loss/theft within 24 hours and can only legally sell/transfer that gun through a FFL dealer. This will be said to prevent "straw purchases" only, yet has the potential to put the squeeze on any gun owner that no longer has their gun "of record", yet did not sell that gun "legally" via a FFL dealer recorded tansaction.
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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    They have! Just look at all the gun regulation enacted by Congress since 1934.
    Your argument and the source your provided would only allow the congress to keep arms available to the people. That would more or less be in line with the later part of the sentence. However, if you go with the modern definition of the term like you desire and for some weird reason your sources you provide don't defend, it would be in direction opposition to the later part of the sentence leaving it in a state of contradiction or as I put it earlier a cluster****.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What do you mean - the Constitution is CLEAR about it?
    Shall not be infringed is about as clear as you can be.

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