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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You said there were "There are no federal guidelines". There are.
    But then again this whole debate is simply not about concealed and carry. Its about background checks on all firearms.
    That whole post was only about state permits and nothing else. There are no federal guidelines for state permits.

    Make federal guidelines for state permits. Beef up every state permit so that it's Brady NICS exempt. Require all state permits to have you take 16/40hr training class, just like drivers licences. Make every state permit have you take a knowledge test, just like drivers licences. Make every state permit have you take a practical handling test, just like drivers licences.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your reaction is very understandable. The gun lobby and gun culture have gotten things so much their way over the last decade that giving in a small amount on something they previously supported seems like a bad deal for them.
    Giving in at all is unacceptable. This entire debate has no reason to exist since the constitution is very clear on the topic. There is no wiggle room that exists. Yes, I'm not willing to give in one little bit on our rights. Cry if you want about it.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Which makes it unconstitutional and not open for debate.
    Uhhh no its not unconstitutional since the USSC has ruled that congress has the right to regulate firearms and the possession of firearms.


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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhh no its not unconstitutional since the USSC has ruled that congress has the right to regulate firearms and the possession of firearms.
    And the constitution and any sort of basic understanding of english disagrees with them. Shall not be infringed in english means they do not have the power to regulate firearms and the possession of firearms. Sorry, but the meaning of words in the 1780's, grammar, and the intent of the second amendment does not just change because the SC says so.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    How would universal background checks have prevented the Sandy Hook shooting?
    Prevented Sandy Hook? No. On the other hand, if had restrictions on magazine sizes, the number of deaths at Sandy Hook, Aurora and Tuscon, in all probability would have been much less. But we aren't going down that make sense path. Instead, we are left with the half-assed approach that, at best, will retard the acquisition of firearms by some people. It might have prevented Columbine, for example, as those guns were purchased by a surrogate at a gun show and could prevent Arlington.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Giving in at all is unacceptable.

    This entire debate has no reason to exist since the constitution is very clear on the topic. There is no wiggle room that exists. Yes, I'm not willing to give in one little bit on our rights. Cry if you want about it.
    Only in your imagination is the constitution that clear on the topic.

    In fact, the idea of the individual right of ownership of firearms wasn't even established until five years ago.... because, the constitution isn't that clear on the subject. Let's start with the notion that 'infringement' does mean unlimited. Heller v DC was the landmark case that established gun ownership as an individual right AND explicitly stated that "...the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose".

    Fine to argue your opinion on this... but to state the Constitution is "very clear on this topic" is an idea that lives in the forest between ignorance and "disingenuousness."

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How in the hell is it possible there there is bipartition support on gun control?

    Because only the far right oppose background checks for gun sales.
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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Because only the far right oppose background checks for gun sales.
    Then only the far right understands what the words "shall not be infringed" means. How very sad for the country. Why do people fail at english so badly?

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then only the far right understands what the words shall not be infringed means. How sad for the country.
    Only the far right doesn't understand what the word, "regulated" means in the the 2nd Amendment. How unhealthy for the country!
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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Only the far right doesn't understand what the word, "regulated" means in the the 2nd Amendment. How unhealthy for the country!
    Please enlighten me on what the word regulate means in the second amendment then. Go ahead and turn the sentence into a cluster**** by picking the modern definition of the word. It is alway enjoyable watching liberals try to figure out how the sentence still works after they do such nonsense.

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