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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    How in the hell is it possible there there is bipartition support on gun control? Just another reason republicans suck.

    What part of "the second amendment is not open to debate" do republicans not get exactly?

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes we do. Gun control act of 1968, LEOSA
    Quote the relevant portion.

    Section§ 923. Licensing

    (a) No person shall engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in firearms, or importing or manufacturing ammunition, until he has filed an application with and received a license to do so from the Secretary....
    This regards dealers, not private owners who have a couple guns for personal use.

    No part of the Gun Control Act provides for ConcealedCarryWweapons permits (also called "Concealed Handgun Permits, Concealed Pistol Permit" depending on the state).
    Last edited by Jerry; 04-11-13 at 01:50 AM.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Quote the relevant portion.
    Gun control act of 1968 lists felons, illegal aliens, and other codified persons as prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms. During the application process for concealed carry states carry out thorough background checks to prevent these individuals from obtaining permits.
    LEOSA is a federal law allows two classes of persons – the "qualified law enforcement officer" and the "qualified retired law enforcement officer" - to carry a concealed firearm in any jurisdiction in the United States, regardless of any state or local law to the contrary, with certain exceptions.


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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    This reminds of an e-mail I got from my representative last week that provided for me two choices on how we can change the second amendment.

    1. Modernize it.
    2. Rewrite it so it doesn't allow for "assault weapons".

    Notice that wonderful bull**** term "assault weapons"? Yeah, that was republican that send me this that all but left out "the nothing is wrong with the second amendment as it is" choice. What a ****ing asshole. After I chewed his ass out and apparently a million other people did in kind he send out another e-mail with new choices that included keeping it as is, but I ignored it and sent him another angry letter.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Gun control act of 1968 lists felons, illegal aliens, and other codified persons as prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms. During the application process for concealed carry states carry out thorough background checks to prevent these individuals from obtaining permits.
    LEOSA is a federal law allows two classes of persons – the "qualified law enforcement officer" and the "qualified retired law enforcement officer" - to carry a concealed firearm in any jurisdiction in the United States, regardless of any state or local law to the contrary, with certain exceptions.
    And that's not at all what I was talkin about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No we don't.

    Currently every state just makes up their own rules. There are no federal guidelines. States enter into Reciprocity agreements with each other at-will. My driver's licence followes federal guidelines and therefore is honored in every state. My South Dakota CCW dose not, and is not honored in every other state. In order to carry while visiting family in OH, I had to get a Utah non-resident CCW because OH honors Utah but not SD. I've never been to Utah in my life but I had to get their permit in order to carry in Ohio. WTF? In contrast all states honor my SD drivers licence. I don't have to worry about another state having reciprocity with my state in order to drive there. All states follow the same federal guidelines and therefore honor every other state's licence. That's how it should be with CCWs.
    No part of the Gun Control Act provides federal standards for the normal regular person who has a couple guns for personal use.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And that's not at all what I was talkin about.
    There are clear federal guidelines on who can get a CCW and who can own a firearm: "lists felons, illegal aliens, and other codified persons as prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms."


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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    There are clear federal guidelines on who can get a CCW and who can own a firearm: "lists felons, illegal aliens, and other codified persons as prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms."
    And that's not at all what I was talking about.

    I'm talking about beefing up all state permits so as to meet a yet-to-be-written Federal standard, just like drivers licences do. Make all state permits meet Brady NICS exemption. That does not currently happen. Make all states require 16/40hr training class, to include practical operation and knowledge test. That does not currently happen.
    Last edited by Jerry; 04-11-13 at 01:58 AM.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And that's not at all what I was talking about.
    You said there were "There are no federal guidelines". There are.
    But then again this whole debate is simply not about concealed and carry. Its about background checks on all firearms.


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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    “I don’t consider criminal background checks to be gun control; it’s just common sense,” Toomey said. “It’s the people who fail a criminal or mental-health background check that we don’t want having guns.”
    Another reason Toomey is worthless pile of ****. It doesn't matter what we want. They have a right to own and buy a gun. Period.

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    Re: Joe Manchin says on verge of gun deal

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Its not just about Sandy Hook its about gun violence in general and this.
    Gun Show: Undercover - YouTube

    And stopping felons and people mentally unstable from getting guns, and making it tougher for them to acquire guns.
    Which makes it unconstitutional and not open for debate.

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