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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Have to be a member to view source.

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    that is interesting. It is a US source. I am not a member, and yet the link I gave you works for me.

    is there internet censorship in the US?
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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    that is interesting. It is a US source. I am not a member, and yet the link I gave you works for me.

    is there internet censorship in the US?
    This is what I get when I click your link:


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    I guess....DebatePolitics.com doesn't have any rules for actually debating, so if you don't want to use an open source, whatever, just know that your argument isn't being supported. But then you can't make complete sentences, either, so this isn't really surprising.
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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This is what I get when I click your link:


    5.jpg


    I guess....DebatePolitics.com doesn't have any rules for actually debating, so if you don't want to use an open source, whatever, just know that your argument isn't being supported. But then you can't make complete sentences, either, so this isn't really surprising.
    interesting.

    I checked initially after you said you could not access it, and had no difficulties, but when I went back to show you a screen shot of what I got - I get the same page as you.

    never mind, there are plenty of other sources:

    http://www.futureswithoutviolence.or...ilies/Guns.pdf


    A study of risk factors for violent death of women in the home found that women living in homes with 1 or more guns were more than 3 times more likely to be killed in their homes. The same study concluded that women killed by a spouse, intimate acquaintance, or close relative were 7 times more likely to live in homes with 1 or more guns and 14 times more likely to have a history of prior domestic violence compared to women killed by non-intimate acquaintances.7
    Family and intimate assaults with firearms are 12 times more likely to result in death than non-firearm assaults. This research suggests that limiting access to guns will result in less lethal family and intimate assaults.8
    A study of women physically abused by current or former intimate partners revealed a 5-fold increased risk of the partner murdering the woman when the partner owned a firearm. In fact, 9
    Homicide risks were found to be 50% higher for female handgun purchasers in California compared with licensed drivers matched by sex, race, and age group.10 Among the women handgun purchasers who were murdered, 45% were killed by an intimate partner using a gun. In contrast, 20% of all women murdered in California during the study period were killed with a gun by an intimate partner.11
    http://www.jhsph.edu/research/center...s/IPV_Guns.pdf

    Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9). Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence interval: 19.5, 49.6). Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.
    Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study
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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    research has shown that gun ownership is also a significant risk factor for homicide in the home: MMS: Error
    You asked what the difference was. I told you. Sorry it wasn't what you wanted to hear.
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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    is there internet censorship in the US?
    That's silly.
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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You asked what the difference was. I told you. Sorry it wasn't what you wanted to hear.
    right. so the high rate of gun homicides in the home is irrelevant. why do you think so?

    also, why are murder rates lower in a country with a greater percentage of total population living in cities bigger than one million people?
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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    right. so the high rate of gun homicides in the home is irrelevant. why do you think so?
    I didn't say it was irrelevant. You asked what the difference was. I told you. Again, sorry it wasn't what you wanted it to be.

    also, why are murder rates lower in a country with a greater percentage of total population living in cities bigger than one million people?
    They don't have the same kind of gang violence.
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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I didn't say it was irrelevant. You asked what the difference was. I told you. Again, sorry it wasn't what you wanted it to be.



    They don't have the same kind of gang violence.
    why not?

    WRT spousal murder - why do you ignore the information showing the increased risk of being killed when there is a gun in the home?
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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    why not?
    Dunno. That's a question for sociologists to answer.

    WRT spousal murder - why do you ignore the information showing the increased risk of being killed when there is a gun in the home?
    Because, even though it's obviously the axe you have to grind, it's not the answer to the question you asked, no matter how badly you want it to be.

    (Never mind that those "studies" have uniformly turned out to be bogus.)
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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    but why is your murder rate so high relative to similar countries?
    And that is the question. If crime is down while gun ownership is up then it isn't the guns. But people are going to skirt the real issues and hide behind their own agendas. There are deeper issues here. We have crumbling family structure, a decline in spirtual influence, an increase in the speed of available information leading to smaller personal worlds and a decrease in human interaction. But none of those issues will be addressed because they don't fit on a bunmper sticker and suggesting people put down their electronics and get to know their neighbors personally wouldn't be as much fun right this minute. That's what gets tiresome about this argument. Everybody posts their opinions on it based on their own opinions rather than honestly looking at all the evidence first.

    I'll give you an example. We are currently visiting my in laws. My wife is in the kitchen with her father making breakfast, I'm sitting on the couch typing on a Kindle and the kids are in to the second day of smashing things on a PS3 and a huge TV. Of the three kids one is playing, one is directing (it's his game so he knows where everything is) and the third is playing a handheld game waiting his turn to smash some more stuff. Anyone think there might be something wrong here? The kids of course will continue to smash stuff, but in a few minutes we'll be tuning in to see our pastors sermon for today. I'm jonesing to get home so I can get outside and get some work done. This all seems like a waste of time. Unfortunately this has become the new reality. These kids have shot thousands of people in the past 24 hours in a pretty realistic looking game and I'm sure that even after all this time when we break this party up there will be complaints.

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