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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Knife control? Time to ban knives? Or, maybe we should make it illegal for deaf people to own knives and put universal background checks and registration in place?



    Looks like knives CAN be dangerous, too.
    14 victims ... if he had a gun, how many would still be alive?
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

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    14 victims ... if he had a gun, how many would still be alive?
    3 months ago there was someone with a gun in that school.

    There were no fatalities. Only 2 wounded, one of whom was the shooter.

    It's much easier to stab someone up close then to shoot someone at range, especially with a pistol.

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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    3 months ago there was someone with a gun in that school.

    There were no fatalities. Only 2 wounded, one of whom was the shooter.

    It's much easier to stab someone up close then to shoot someone at range, especially with a pistol.
    that may be true, but nevertheless, the ratio of murders in countries that have responsible gun laws are much lower than in the US.
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    that may be true, but nevertheless, the ratio of murders in countries that have responsible gun laws are much lower than in the US.
    Well no the opposite is true:




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    Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive
    Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?
    A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence.
    Din B. Kates* and Gary Mauser**


    The study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence." Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.

    The findings of two criminologists - Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser - in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling:
    Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population)
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    EDITORIAL: Guns decrease murder rates
    In Washington, the best defense is self-defense
    By THE WASHINGTON TIMES


    More guns in law-abiding hands mean less crime. The District of Columbia proves the point.


    <snip>
    Few who lived in Washington during the 1970s can forget the upswing in crime that started right after the ban was originally passed. In the five years before the 1977 ban, the murder rate fell from 37 to 27 murders per 100,000. In the five years after the gun ban went into effect, the murder rate rose back up to 35. One fact is particularly hard to ignore: D.C.'s murder rate fluctuated after 1976 but only once fell below what it was in 1976 before the ban. That aberration happened years later, in 1985.

    This correlation between the D.C. gun ban and diminished safety was not a coincidence. Look at the Windy City. Immediately after Chicago banned handguns in 1982, the murder rate, which had been falling almost continually for a decade, started to rise. Chicago's murder rate rose relative to other large cities as well. The phenomenon of higher murder rates after gun bans are passed is not just limited to the United States. Every single time a country has passed a gun ban, its murder rate soared.


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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Turns out the economy and family integrity are the reliable predictors and controls for crime, not gun restrictions. If we control for economy and family, the armed population always has a lower crime rate then the unarmed population, but the economy has the greatest impact on lowering crime.

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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    that may be true, but nevertheless, the ratio of murders in countries that have responsible gun laws are much lower than in the US.
    Wasington DC had an all out gun ban. What did the murder rate do?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I've been on this forum for 7 years. That sort of thing doesn't phase me.
    Just warning you to be prepared.

    In America do we need to 'need' something in order to own it?
    No, but when that something is shown to be a contributing factor is so many injuries and deaths, perhaps we should be willing to say we'll give up something we don't need to protect something we do.

    The thing we 'need' is liberty because the more liberty a society has the more it flourishes.
    I disagree. Freedom without guidance goes in every direction but forward.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Wasington DC had an all out gun ban. What did the murder rate do?
    Why does it matter? We're talking about a national gun law, not a local one. Completely different.

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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No, but when that something is shown to be a contributing factor is so many injuries and deaths, perhaps we should be willing to say we'll give up something we don't need to protect something we do.
    The presence of guns are not a contributing factor, though. No criminal is stopped because they couldn't get a gun, they simply use a different weapon. Guns do not cause crime. In fact the exact opposite is true.

    If pro-gun-control wanted to have any credibility over the last 4 months, they would have lead their policies with safe storage laws and disarming the homes of the mentally unstable. However, no proposed law is addressing these. No proposed law fits any of the recent shootings.

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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The presence of guns are not a contributing factor, though. No criminal is stopped because they couldn't get a gun, they simply use a different weapon.
    With 70% of the homicides involving a gun, I'm more than willing to put your theory to the test.

    If pro-gun-control wanted to have any credibility over the last 4 months, they would have lead their policies with safe storage laws and disarming the homes of the mentally unstable.
    I always think it's funny that those who are against disarmament always talk about disarming the mentally unstable.

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    Re: Stabbing injures several on Lone Star College Cy-Fair campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    With 70% of the homicides involving a gun, I'm more than willing to put your theory to the test.
    A test which is easily passed with flying colors:

    You are 24.91 times more likely to simply trip over something and die then to die by any-kind of gunshot.


    National Vital Statistics Report

    • Diseases of heart....................................652,091
    • Malignant neoplasms (Cancer).....................559,312
    • Cerebrovascular diseases (Strokes)..............143,579
    • Chronic lower respiratory diseases.............130,933
    • Accidents (unintentional injuries)...................117,809
    • Diabetes mellitus .....................................75,119
    • Alzheimer’s disease ..................................71,599
    • Influenza and pneumonia ..........................63,001
    • Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephritis...43,901
    • Septicemia..............................................34,1 36
    • Intentional self-harm (suicide)......................32,637
    • Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis................27,530
    • Hypertension and hypertensive renal disease.24,902
    • Parkinson’s disease ..................................19,544
    • Pneumonitis due to solids and liquids ............16,959
    • Simple Falling Down...................................19,656
    • Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms.....12,352
    • Accidental discharge of Firearm.......................789
    • Suicide by Discharge of Firearms..................17,002
    • Accidental Drowning and Submersion............3,582
    • Accidental Poisoning.................................23,618
    • Motor Vehicle Accidents............................45,343
    • Non-Transport Accidents...........................69,368


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