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    Re: U.S. Passes Saudis In Oil Output, No Thanks To White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I definitely question it. I do NOT question Obama prefers to pursue clean/renewable forms of energy. And in a perfect world, Obama would be right in this. Obviously we don't live in a perfect world, but I'm not really interested in discussing clean vs oil.

    What I'm curious about is your statement saying they are hostile to fossil fuels. What sort of things has he done to show he's hostile to fossil fuels?
    Oh, please. He has shut down every attempt at domestic drilling he could. He's gone after coal with a vengeance, which cost him every county in West Virginia and every coal-producing county in Ohio. He's gone after natural gas with the same zeal. And by "he," of course, I mean his administration, but he's the one in charge.

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    Re: U.S. Passes Saudis In Oil Output, No Thanks To White House

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I stand corrected. I read somewhere that export of oil produced in the US was against the law.
    You are technically right...it's highly restricted and cases are only made in certain circumstances...like if crude oil taken say in a portion of Alaska could much more easily be refined in neighboring Canadian refineries.

    Unless you get a special license to export crude you can't do it.
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    Re: U.S. Passes Saudis In Oil Output, No Thanks To White House

    If the present Administration is so "hostile" to oil production - why has oil production increased since Obama was inaugurated in Jan 2009?


    U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)
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    Re: U.S. Passes Saudis In Oil Output, No Thanks To White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    If the present Administration is so "hostile" to oil production - why has oil production increased since Obama was inaugurated in Jan 2009?


    U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)
    Does Obama Deserve Credit for Increased Oil Production? Hint: No.

    But, then the President also turned around and threw out a bunch of impressive statistics about how domestic oil production has only gone up during his administration, there are a record number of oil rigs operating now, etcetera. ...Anyone? Anyone?

    As White House spokesman Jay Carney said this week "Oil and gas production in the United States has risen every year since the president's been in office. Oil production is now higher than it's been in eight years."

    Industry analysts say production is rising -- not because of President Obama, but in spite of him.

    "Today on federal land, the area where the president has control, production in the Gulf of Mexico is down 30 percent. Lease sales in Rocky Mountains on federal lands are down 70 percent," Jack Gerard, head of the American Petroleum Institute said.

    He says the president has put 85 percent of the outer continental shelf off limits and overall, is only making 3 percent of the areas under his control available for development.

    So, the Obama/White House All-Purpose Strategy Numero Uno goes something like: blame the Bush administration's policies for everything from the terrible economy to the dragging war in Afghanistan, but gloss over and take credit for the long-term effects of the Bush administration's policies when it helps Obama to quell voters unhappy with rising gas prices. Got it.

    And now, for your listening pleasure, here's Dennis Prager absolutely stomping on Obama's 'algae' energy policy. Brilliant:

    Does Obama Deserve Credit for Increased Oil Production? Hint: No. - Erika Johnsen


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    Re: U.S. Passes Saudis In Oil Output, No Thanks To White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Oh, please. He has shut down every attempt at domestic drilling he could. He's gone after coal with a vengeance, which cost him every county in West Virginia and every coal-producing county in Ohio. He's gone after natural gas with the same zeal. And by "he," of course, I mean his administration, but he's the one in charge.

    If you don't already know this, you haven't paid attention.
    Coal is dying because natural gas. Coal no longer is the cheapest method of providing energy.

    There is the real fact that coal is dirty when burned. Would you want an unregulated coal burning plant in your neighborhood? I'm not talking about the coal plants which already include technologies that decrease the pollution but an old school coal plant just burning the **** unfiltered?
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    Re: U.S. Passes Saudis In Oil Output, No Thanks To White House

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I stand corrected. I read somewhere that export of oil produced in the US was against the law.
    We also export 400,000 Barrels a day of GASOLINE. I bet you didn't know that either.

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    Re: U.S. Passes Saudis In Oil Output, No Thanks To White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    If the present Administration is so "hostile" to oil production - why has oil production increased since Obama was inaugurated in Jan 2009?


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    Because demand has increased since then. Gosh, notice when the slump happened?

    This is isn't new oil production; this is ramping up on existing facilities.

    It always amazes me how people will defend their man against anything, even if it's about a policy they'd otherwise be all for. Both sides do it.

    One wonders what I'd find if I were to go back through your own posting history in terms of defending Obama's hostility to oil and exploration. Would I find posts along the lines of "there's not even enough oil there to make a dent in prices"? I suspect I might.
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    Re: U.S. Passes Saudis In Oil Output, No Thanks To White House

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Coal is dying because natural gas. Coal no longer is the cheapest method of providing energy.
    That's OK, because he's against natural gas, too.

    There is the real fact that coal is dirty when burned. Would you want an unregulated coal burning plant in your neighborhood? I'm not talking about the coal plants which already include technologies that decrease the pollution but an old school coal plant just burning the **** unfiltered?
    Whether I would or wouldn't, it's still a hostility to fossil fuels. So, thanks for helping.
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    Re: U.S. Passes Saudis In Oil Output, No Thanks To White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Does Obama Deserve Credit for Increased Oil Production? Hint: No.

    But, then the President also turned around and threw out a bunch of impressive statistics about how domestic oil production has only gone up during his administration, there are a record number of oil rigs operating now, etcetera. ...Anyone? Anyone?

    As White House spokesman Jay Carney said this week "Oil and gas production in the United States has risen every year since the president's been in office. Oil production is now higher than it's been in eight years."

    Industry analysts say production is rising -- not because of President Obama, but in spite of him.

    "Today on federal land, the area where the president has control, production in the Gulf of Mexico is down 30 percent. Lease sales in Rocky Mountains on federal lands are down 70 percent," Jack Gerard, head of the American Petroleum Institute said.

    He says the president has put 85 percent of the outer continental shelf off limits and overall, is only making 3 percent of the areas under his control available for development.

    So, the Obama/White House All-Purpose Strategy Numero Uno goes something like: blame the Bush administration's policies for everything from the terrible economy to the dragging war in Afghanistan, but gloss over and take credit for the long-term effects of the Bush administration's policies when it helps Obama to quell voters unhappy with rising gas prices. Got it.

    And now, for your listening pleasure, here's Dennis Prager absolutely stomping on Obama's 'algae' energy policy. Brilliant:

    Does Obama Deserve Credit for Increased Oil Production? Hint: No. - Erika Johnsen

    Yeah, and the chances near 100% that Somerville is in favor of his doing all of this.
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    Re: U.S. Passes Saudis In Oil Output, No Thanks To White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yeah, and the chances near 100% that Somerville is in favor of his doing all of this.
    I was just pointing out such wasn't coming from Team Obama.

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