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    Re: Turn a blind eye..they have oil..

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Can you even compare?? This 24-year-old was 14 years old when he did this. It's horrific, in my opinion. And for those who question the source (as was done on a thread yesterday), here's a MSM link: Saudi court orders man to be paralyzed as an Islamic punishment - World News

    If there was one thing mankind could do to prove it deserves the blessing of life, it would be for "the rest of us" to completely disassociate ourselves from countries who engage in this kind of torture. We can't change them...but we can ensure they live on an island alone. IMO, every civilized country in the world should publicly condemn Saudi Arabia in the hopes that they can be shamed into changing these kinds of laws.

    Horrific.
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    Re: Turn a blind eye..they have oil..

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Who cares?

    Besides, what has this got to do with the price of tea in China?
    Well lets see:

    Doesn't the USofA soapbox about morals and doing the right thing?
    Aren't we supposedly the great saviors of freedom and equal rights?
    Don't we preach from high on top of the pulpit about justice?

    I believe hypocrisy isn't part of our moral code is it? Or is it?

    Because in many instances, like the one mentioned in the OP, we (the USofA) sure do appear to be gigantic hypocrites.

    "If you sell us oil, we don't give a damn what atrocities you commit."


    Yes - it's the biggest and best reason to develop an alternative energy source ASAP. The sooner "we" can cut ties with anyone outside of our borders the better.

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    Re: Turn a blind eye..they have oil..

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I agree that, to us, their justice system seems whacked. My point is that our patchwork justice system is such that the same crime often gets vastly different sentencing treatment and that a much more serious crime (e.g. child rape) can get a much shorter sentence than a far less serious crime (e.g. driving drunk).

    The idea of treating other nations as if we should be able to dictate their internal affairs, while insisting that they have no say in our internal affiars is moronic. We apply serious sanctions against nations that allow some voting (e.g. South Africa) yet give "most favorable nation" status to others that allow no voting at all (e.g. China).

    Our foreign policy is mostly based on $$$; if a nation is deemed good for our business leaders to deal with then it is also good for our gov't to get cozy with. Mexico has a far more screwed up justice system than Canada, yet we freely trade with both out of simple convenience ignoring the fact that Mexico is a corrupt narco-terrorist state.

    Much like Afghanistan being both an enemy and a good firend; we are at war in Afghanistan (until next year - when we will declare "victory") yet still pump billions in foreign aid into its corrupt gov't. Egypt is another such mess - we pay them to "make nice" with Israel yet supply them massive military aid when they have no real enemies (except Israel?).

    And then, of course, there is GITMO; a prison for "detainees" that will likely never be tried (or released) and most of these "detainees" are not even charged with any crime.
    Child rape is legal in Thailand..Pedophiles go from all over the world to abuse these poor kids..

    We also have blood on our hands for £££'s...we are giving foreign aid to Pakistan and India..India has it's own nuclear weapons...

    Yet..everyday we are bombarded with footage of starving children...

    I don't know about you..but these persistant calls for money..**** me off..

    Like Africa..what a bottomless pit!!

    As for ''Gitmo''...I am sure America knew what it was doing...

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    Re: Turn a blind eye..they have oil..

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Can you even compare?? This 24-year-old was 14 years old when he did this. It's horrific, in my opinion. And for those who question the source (as was done on a thread yesterday), here's a MSM link: Saudi court orders man to be paralyzed as an Islamic punishment - World News

    If there was one thing mankind could do to prove it deserves the blessing of life, it would be for "the rest of us" to completely disassociate ourselves from countries who engage in this kind of torture. We can't change them...but we can ensure they live on an island alone. IMO, every civilized country in the world should publicly condemn Saudi Arabia in the hopes that they can be shamed into changing these kinds of laws.

    Horrific.
    OK. As long as this "condemnation" is simply blowing wind on the UN floor, but what is our real power to change their internal justice system (Sharia law)? Then what of China and Mexico - China has ZERO human rights and uses forced abortions, Mexico is clearly a corrupt narco-terrorist state that dumps bodies along side the roadways, has prisons that resemble medieval dungeons and yet refuses to extradite folks to the US since we have the DP.

    My point is that once we base international trade on the internal politics of our "partners" that can of worms is then wide open. Saudi Arabia is a big player in OPEC, which has a huge impact on our economy, as well as a propensity to support "terrorists" if they no longer have reason not to do so. We have already let Egypt play us for fools as we now give open military support to the Muslim Brotherhood - soon to be repeated in Lybia and Syria it seems. Just to keep Israel from being wiped out costs us many billions every year. The use of Sharia law is widespread in the middle east and they will not change simply to please the US, much less the UN.
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    Re: Turn a blind eye..they have oil..

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Well lets see:

    Doesn't the USofA soapbox about morals and doing the right thing?
    Aren't we supposedly the great saviors of freedom and equal rights?
    Don't we preach from high on top of the pulpit about justice?

    I believe hypocrisy isn't part of our moral code is it? Or is it?

    Because in many instances, like the one mentioned in the OP, we (the USofA) sure do appear to be gigantic hypocrites.

    "If you sell us oil, we don't give a damn what atrocities you commit."


    Yes - it's the biggest and best reason to develop an alternative energy source ASAP. The sooner "we" can cut ties with anyone outside of our borders the better.
    What of China and Mexico? Once you start down that "righteous" road - how far do you go?
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Turn a blind eye..they have oil..

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    no. they are a dictatorship using religion to distract attention from their tyranny. i look forward to a time when we replace oil so that i no longer have to send them any of my money. i hope to live long enough to see that day.

    fifteen out of the nineteen hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, and we attacked Afghanistan and Iraq instead.

    USATODAY.com - Official: 15 of 19 Sept. 11 hijackers were Saudi
    KSA is not dictatorship.. and 6 of the 9/11 criminals were using fake IDS.

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    Re: Turn a blind eye..they have oil..

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    OK. As long as this "condemnation" is simply blowing wind on the UN floor, but what is our real power to change their internal justice system (Sharia law)? Then what of China and Mexico - China has ZERO human rights and uses forced abortions, Mexico is clearly a corrupt narco-terrorist state that dumps bodies along side the roadways, has prisons that resemble medieval dungeons and yet refuses to extradite folks to the US since we have the DP.

    My point is that once we base international trade on the internal politics of our "partners" that can of worms is then wide open. Saudi Arabia is a big player in OPEC, which has a huge impact on our economy, as well as a propensity to support "terrorists" if they no longer have reason not to do so. We have already let Egypt play us for fools as we now give open military support to the Muslim Brotherhood - soon to be repeated in Lybia and Syria it seems. Just to keep Israel from being wiped out costs us many billions every year. The use of Sharia law is widespread in the middle east and they will not change simply to please the US, much less the UN.
    Much better than your original I replied to. I agree. What you say is very true. And very sad.
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    Re: Turn a blind eye..they have oil..

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What of China and Mexico? Once you start down that "righteous" road - how far do you go?
    What was my last sentence in the quote you responded to?

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    Re: Turn a blind eye..they have oil..

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Who cares???

    I do..

    Tell me..do you not find it a tad disturbing??
    The Saudi's have had brutal punishment form crimes for many, many years, and now you are concerned?

    Feel free to invade yet another country to impart your morals on them.

    It has worked so well in N Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

    You and your indignant disdain are many years late to the party.
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    Re: Turn a blind eye..they have oil..

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Child rape is legal in Thailand..Pedophiles go from all over the world to abuse these poor kids..

    We also have blood on our hands for £££'s...we are giving foreign aid to Pakistan and India..India has it's own nuclear weapons...

    Yet..everyday we are bombarded with footage of starving children...

    I don't know about you..but these persistant calls for money..**** me off..

    Like Africa..what a bottomless pit!!

    As for ''Gitmo''...I am sure America knew what it was doing...
    Gosh, you need to move elsewhere to a more morally acceptable country.
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    Baby sister, I was born game and I intend to go out that way - Rooster Cogburn

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