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    Re: Lawsuit over health care tax could kill ‘Obamacare’

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    I think we should have single payer health care, and I find it shameful that the president of this country would willingly and knowingly put us in economic turmoil as the path to get there. The Democrats don't want single payer, they like to cater to big business just as much as the Republicans.


    No, the stumbling blocks by the republicans were formidable. They are lucky to get what they got.
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    Lawsuit over health care tax could kill ‘Obamacare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    No, the stumbling blocks by the republicans were formidable. They are lucky to get what they got.
    There were no stumbling blocks by anyone. Single payer was never even proposed, let alone fought for. What we got, no one is lucky for that except the insurance companies.
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    Re: Lawsuit over health care tax could kill ‘Obamacare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    No, the stumbling blocks by the republicans were formidable. They are lucky to get what they got.
    I wouldn't wish a filibuster-proof majority on anyone. Hard to get anything done.

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    Re: Lawsuit over health care tax could kill ‘Obamacare’

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    There were no stumbling blocks by anyone. Single payer was never even proposed, let alone fought for. What we got, no one is lucky for that except the insurance companies.
    No stumbling block? Did you forget the Dick Armey bussed in tea baggers and the republicans not attending meetings and walking out? Sure you did.

    PolitiFact | Obama statements on single-payer have changed a bit

    In other statements, Obama has spoken favorably of single-payer in concept, but always adding qualifiers.

    In February 2004, about a month before the primary election in the U.S. Senate race, the Associated Press reported the stance of all the candidates on universal health care. "Obama says he supports the idea of universal health care but does not think a single-payer government system is feasible. He says the government should be the health care provider of last resort for the uninsured." In a rundown of all the candidates' positions, the Associated Press summarized Obama's position as "Support, but 'probably not at this stage,' a single-payer government system."
    In his book The Audacity of Hope , published in October 2006 when he was a U.S. senator, Obama described single-payer as the hope of the left, while those on the right wanted a market-based approach. "It's time we broke this impasse by acknowledging a few simple truths," Obama wrote, suggesting a system much like the one he supports today.
    In April 2007, a few months after he declared his candidacy for presidency, the Chicago Tribune reported, "Obama has pledged that, if elected, all Americans would have health-care coverage by the end of his first term. He has said he is reluctant to switch to a 'single-payer' national health insurance system because of the difficulty in making a quick transition from the employer-based private system."
    At his town halls as president, he routinely answers questions about single-payer by saying he would favor it if he were starting a system "from scratch." But he consistently adds that's not the goal of the current reform. "For us to transition completely from an employer-based system of private insurance to a single-payer system could be hugely disruptive, and my attitude has been that we should be able to find a way to create a uniquely American solution to this problem that controls costs but preserves the innovation that is introduced in part with a free-market system," Obama said in Annandale, Va., on July 1, 2009.


    But the video strikes a very different tone from the remarks above.

    To find out more about the video, we tracked down some of the people who worked on health care reform with Obama when he was a state senator in Illinois. Dr. Quentin Young said he has followed Obama's career since Obama first decided to run for state senator in 1995; he lives in Obama's Hyde Park neighborhood in Chicago. A longtime activist in health care matters, Young left his medical practice a few years ago to volunteer full time for Physicians for a National Health Program, a Chicago-based advocacy group for single-payer. The group features Obama as part of its Web site.

    Young is an ardent supporter for single-payer, he said, because private insurers have an incentive to deprive people of care. "They do what they're supposed to do, which is maximize revenue, so they can pay their investors and their executives. Their profits are breathtaking and obscene" he said. "And you wonder why the health system is so costly."
    We need the house and the senate and a majority of the senate with no fillibuster from the republicans.
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Lawsuit over health care tax could kill ‘Obamacare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    No stumbling block? Did you forget the Dick Armey bussed in tea baggers and the republicans not attending meetings and walking out? Sure you did.

    PolitiFact | Obama statements on single-payer have changed a bit



    We need the house and the senate and a majority of the senate with no fillibuster from the republicans.
    There was no filibuster from anyone. Single payer was never proposed because that's not what the Democrats wanted.

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    Re: Lawsuit over health care tax could kill ‘Obamacare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    No, the stumbling blocks by the republicans were formidable. They are lucky to get what they got.
    The Republicans did not have a say in it. They were not permitted to add amendments to the bill and not allowed to do their own bills or proposals. The Republicans were not able to do any roadblocks beyond minor procedural rules the bill was made by the Democrat Leadership in both houses and by the Medical Tzars in the Whitehouse. The bill was promoted by Nancy Poloci as having "to vote for it to find out what it is." Do not blame the Republicans for any of the Obama Health Care since they did not have nor were allowed to have any hand in it.
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    Re: Lawsuit over health care tax could kill ‘Obamacare’

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    Did the House version of the ACA have the tax on wheelchairs and walkers?

    And if you read the Time Magazine article on the cost of health care and profit margin on wheelchairs and the like, you'll understand why the tax is a good idea.
    So a tax that is passed on to people who need durable medical devices is a good thing? I hope you never need one.
    Building block or stumbling block.... choose.

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    Re: Lawsuit over health care tax could kill ‘Obamacare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    “Obamacare” looks increasingly inevitable, but one lawsuit making its way through the court system could pull the plug on the sweeping federal health care law.

    A challenge filed by the Pacific Legal Foundation contends that the Affordable Care Act is unconstitutional because the bill originated in the Senate, not the House. Under the Origination Clause of the Constitution, all bills raising revenue must begin in the House



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    That is quite brilliant, I am surprised that this didn't come up in the original ruling.

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    Re: Lawsuit over health care tax could kill ‘Obamacare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    “Obamacare” looks increasingly inevitable, but one lawsuit making its way through the court system could pull the plug on the sweeping federal health care law.

    A challenge filed by the Pacific Legal Foundation contends that the Affordable Care Act is unconstitutional because the bill originated in the Senate, not the House. Under the Origination Clause of the Constitution, all bills raising revenue must begin in the House



    Read more: Lawsuit over health care tax could kill 'Obamacare' - Washington Times
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    they will loose.

    the bill was brought in the house first i believe.

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    Re: Lawsuit over health care tax could kill ‘Obamacare’

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    No, the stumbling blocks by the republicans were formidable. They are lucky to get what they got.
    Actually, the Republicans had very little to do with the creation of Obamacare. No, they didn't provide any stumbling blocks...it was the Democrat's own Party members who provided those. They all wanted to get their little piece of the action for themselves and for their States.

    Face it...all the bad **** that's come and is coming due to Obamacare is all the fault of the Democrats. You can't blame the Republicans for this piece of crap.
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