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    Re: Todd Akin, Allen West Lavished Government Money On Staff After Losing Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
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    Let's face it, anyone who worked for either Akin or West deserves as much money as they can get.
    Can you imagine how many "clarifying" statements these poor staffers had to compose for these two whackos?
    They earned every penny.
    Yeah, but why should we have to pay for it?


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    Re: Todd Akin, Allen West Lavished Government Money On Staff After Losing Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Again, defending this spending on the basis of "this is how govt works" fails because these are politicians who have claimed that they want to change how govt spends money
    And there's no indication, what so ever, that they could've done anything different with their budget that would've changed how GOVERNMENT spent the money. There's no indication what so ever that had these offices had the ability to return the excess money that was used for bonuses, or would've been able to lower their budget for the year with the resulting savings not simply allowing other offices to spend more. What you suggest and what you seak is not fiscal responsability, as the Tea Party suggests is needed, but rather inefficient protesting that directly hinders the effort to push for meaningful efforts of fiscal responsability. Which is no wonder, considering you wantonly use the disparaging terminology for the Tea Party highlighting your utter unobjectivity on the notion and making it clear why you wish to present a reality where they must handicap themselves in an illogical and fruitless way to placate hyper partisans such as yourself decrying them as "hypocrites".

    Mind you, all this is going off a hypothetical and guess on my part because the article does scant little actual in depth objective reporting so having to make educated assumptions on the entire thing. If it is ocucring in the way I could imagine it is, then it highlights an issue that I've long had issue with in terms of how the government goes about it's budgetary practices. If it happened in some fashion where they purposefully built in the extra large bonuses or there was a reasonable and simple way for them to have better utilized the money then they would absolutely be worth while of criticism. I only suggest that based on what info the article DID give and what I know of budgets that this is likely a situation that is rather routine not by choice but due to the broken system and how things are just basically structured.

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    Re: Todd Akin, Allen West Lavished Government Money On Staff After Losing Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And there's no indication, what so ever, that they could've done anything different with their budget that would've changed how GOVERNMENT spent the money. There's no indication what so ever that had these offices had the ability to return the excess money that was used for bonuses, or would've been able to lower their budget for the year with the resulting savings not simply allowing other offices to spend more. What you suggest and what you seak is not fiscal responsability, as the Tea Party suggests is needed, but rather inefficient protesting that directly hinders the effort to push for meaningful efforts of fiscal responsability. Which is no wonder, considering you wantonly use the disparaging terminology for the Tea Party highlighting your utter unobjectivity on the notion and making it clear why you wish to present a reality where they must handicap themselves in an illogical and fruitless way to placate hyper partisans such as yourself decrying them as "hypocrites".
    They do have the ability to return the money to the govt and it would not allow the other offices to spend more. Rand Paul was lauded by the right when he did that very thing.
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    Re: Todd Akin, Allen West Lavished Government Money On Staff After Losing Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    They do have the ability to return the money to the govt and it would not allow the other offices to spend more. Rand Paul was lauded by the right when he did that very thing.
    Could you give me a link to what suggests they havethe ability to do this? As I've said in most of the posts in this thread, if there was a method for doing that and they didn't do it then it's worthy of criticism but I was unaware of any. If you're aware of such a way please present it.

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    Re: Todd Akin, Allen West Lavished Government Money On Staff After Losing Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Could you give me a link to what suggests they havethe ability to do this? As I've said in most of the posts in this thread, if there was a method for doing that and they didn't do it then it's worthy of criticism but I was unaware of any. If you're aware of such a way please present it.
    I was mistaken. It was Ron Paul, not Rand

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...-treasury.html
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    Re: Todd Akin, Allen West Lavished Government Money On Staff After Losing Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Yeah, but why should we have to pay for it?
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    Where is your compassion?
    Think of West's and Akin's minions......typing endless explanations...." The Congressman did not intend......yada-yada-yada..."
    I'll bet carpal-tunnel syndrome is rampant among the staffers.
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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    Re: Todd Akin, Allen West Lavished Government Money On Staff After Losing Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I was mistaken. It was Ron Paul, not Rand

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...-treasury.html
    Interesting. The link no longer works, so can't get any indication how that works. Definitely seems like it would've been the more responsable way to go on this...giving a normal level bonus and sending the rest to the treasury. What's interesting is this posted by RightinNYC at the time

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    FWIW, he's not alone in this.

    Lawmakers Have Long Rewarded Their Aides With Bonuses - WSJ.com

    Each House office receives between $1.3 million and $1.9 million annually in government funds to pay for office expenses, including salaries. In 2008, some lawmakers returned excess cash to the government, including Rep. Todd Akin, a Missouri Republican (who also gave some bonuses) and Rep. Tim Walz, a Minnesota Democrat. Meredith Salsbery, a spokeswoman for Mr. Walz, said aides are asked to be "thrifty and conscious of taxpayer dollars" and that Mr. Walz "knows the power of setting a good example."

    The 435 House offices typically return a total of about $1 million or $2 million a year, or less that 0.5% of the overall budget for office expenses
    Given his general message, this is probably a pretty good PR move on his part.

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    Re: Todd Akin, Allen West Lavished Government Money On Staff After Losing Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Interesting. The link no longer works, so can't get any indication how that works. Definitely seems like it would've been the more responsable way to go on this...giving a normal level bonus and sending the rest to the treasury. What's interesting is this posted by RightinNYC at the time
    Ron Paul returns over $140,000 from his office budget to the U.S. Treasury – IVN

    Ron Paul Returns Unused Portion of Office Budget to US Treasury

    Rand Paul returning $500K in office budget to Treasury - POLITICO.com

    And I think the fact that Akin returned money while he was in office highlights his hypocrisy. When he had something to gain from it personally, he was frugal. Once it didn't matter, he was happy to waste taxpayer money to benefit his buddies (ie nepotism)
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    Re: Todd Akin, Allen West Lavished Government Money On Staff After Losing Reelection

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    Wait a sec!? I thought the Tea Party and their reps were supposed to be against big government and lavish spending and those evil bureaucrats .. Something is right here... Oh yea i forgot its hypocrisy
    Fair point about Tea Party reps. But also keep in mind this:

    When Democrats lost a historic number of seats in 2010, outgoing members of the party lavished their staff with unspent money, with 17 of the top 20 givers carrying a D next to their name.

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    Re: Todd Akin, Allen West Lavished Government Money On Staff After Losing Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    Fair point about Tea Party reps. But also keep in mind this:
    I agree that both parties do it but when a group of people come to power about anti beuacracy and smaller gov and smaller spending and then go around and just give bureaucrats a big raise seems like huge hypocrisy and seems that they arent too different from the "big gov" party


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