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NRA Certificate and “Guide to the Basics of Pistol Shooting” Found in Adam[W: 143]

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CalGun said:
No anyone using the deaths of 20 dead kids to further their agenda is the "deep" one who should be ashamed of themselves.
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some people hate the fact that the NRA teaches people how to survive criminal attacks. that appears to be the main cause for the silly hate fest
 
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JRSaindo said:
This troll never stops. I took hunter's safety as a pre-teen, so if I kill someone with my hunting rifle its my instructor's fault because I had a course on how to properly handle and shoot a gun? That is your argument? LMAO, troll somewhere you can actually fool people. You have terrible baiting tactics for a forum troll. If you truly believe the NRA had anything to do with Newtown you're so lost its scary.
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think of all those driver ed teachers we can blame for a kid who goes 115 through a school zone full of kids in the crosswalks?
 
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Jredbaron96 said:
Do we get magic wands?
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Well, that what I was just wondering. I'm pissed that I didn't get one!
 
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You will need to illustrate where / how such a book taught the mentally ill child to kill? But of course you can't, nor do you care too, all you want to do is tarnish a great organization of civil liberties you oppose with the senseless deaths of children. You need help, there are people out there to help you, call one.


head of joaquin said:
Anyone who gives the guy who perpetrated the murder a handbook on how to do is is the "deep" one. And anybody who defends such a sick organization is, well, you.

But really, continue with your meme. It's all you got.
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apdst said:
Well, that what I was just wondering. I'm pissed that I didn't get one!
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you have to wear a pointed hat, along with black stockings /skirt!!
 
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TurtleDude said:
you have to wear a pointed hat, along with black stockings /skirt!!
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See? That pisses me off. I was sick last week and my wife asked if I wanted anything from the store and I said I wanted a toy. She asked why a toy and I said that you always get a toy when you're sick. Can you believe that she said I was too old for that?

And NOW, I have to wear a skirt just to get my magic wand??
 
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head of joaquin said:
Well, you have the right to your opinion, but if you aren't disturbed by the mass murderer of two dozen children honing his skills with NRA material, I can't imagine what would disturb you. Personally I find this for profit organization sickening.
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Oh I'm disturbed by the deaths, I'm just not silly enough to blame the NRA for it. No amount of pamphlets makes a person kill.
 
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head of joaquin said:
NRA Certificate and
The sickness that is the NRA continues to be exposed.
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Saying stupid **** like that is why I don't believe you're a lawyer, not for an instant. You can't ever present or win an argument, ever.

You're not talking about his history of mental illness. You're not talking about his SSRI medication. You're not talking about the fact that the gun safe was in his room.
 
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Someone's descent into ludicrous self-parody and ever-increasing irrelevance has been noted.
 
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head of joaquin said:
NRA Certificate and
The sickness that is the NRA continues to be exposed.
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I think its more that after deciding or considering the idea of doing a mass shooting that he sought out reference material on firearms use, not that the reference material he just so happened to have around his house lead to his decision to conduct a mass shooting.

In other words I think you have cause and effect reversed, the cause of his mass shooting was not NRA material but rather because he wanted to conduct a mass shooting he found reference material.
 
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Distraction crazy. So no one really is denying Adam was a member of the NRA except for the NRA. That is the part I find disturbing about the NRA. The NRA could have stepped up and confronted the idea that giving your obviously crazy kid a gun and training him how to shoot was a bad idea. instead they champion it as a discipline building activity that would help troubled young kids. I am not terribly shocked adam and his mother were members of the NRA, and I certainly do not buy the NRA doesn't have any record of him. I am sure they have burned any records they had of him, but I am under no delusion that he was not a member. Anyone can be a member of the NRA even those without guns.

I am not even bothered by the membership. All you need is an application to be a member. The NRA doesn't refuse money. I don't even expect them to. What I do think they should do is to represent the dangers of letting a clear psychotic play with a gun. Adam was not a functional psychotic who slipped through the system and snapped. he wass a kid with legitimate psychotic issues who could not function in society. This was not some guy with some unpopular opinions, this was a guy who was clearly nuts. He was kept in his house by his own fear of the world and his mother's knowledge he could not exist on his own because of his crazy. That family had enough money to set him up in his own place and let him live the life of a functional crazy. They did not because they knew he was a psycho.

The NRA could have encouraged some way to keep really insane people from having guns. They could have helped gun sellers to make responsible decisions about selling to obviously mentally ill people. The NRA could have told it's members that even though gun discipline may help out some individuals with discipline problems, it should not be attempted with clearly psychotic people. But instead they encouraged giving guns to crazies. they encouraged loopholes and loose selling procedures. They encourage people to introduce unstable people to firearms for the sake of helping them. That is what is disgusting about the NRA, not that they happened to take a membership application from someone they could not have known was a crazy nut because his mother was sheltering the world from that reality as best as she could. From everything that has been said about Adam he exibited uncontrolled noticeable crazy. Yet no one in the gun community, despite being creeped out, did a thing about a clearly crazy kid playing with guns. really, the NRA should be leading the cause for legal gun owners to point out criminal and unsafe gun use. When they don't it shows that anything they say about being concerned with safety becomes hot air.
 
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head of joaquin said:
NRA Certificate and



The sickness that is the NRA continues to be exposed.
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What motived him is known. They found a copy of the New York Times with an article about another mass murderer. It is long overdue to shut down the N Y Times for sociliting and motivating murder. There is no limit to the sickness of the NY Times.
 
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head of joaquin said:
The sickness that is the NRA continues to be exposed.
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Based on what?.... the fact that Adam Lanza took a Basic Pistol course taught by an NRA instructor? I've taught that class myself. Are all of the people whose certificates I've signed to be expected to commit gun crimes? OR are you suggesting that the NRA should background check everyone before they're allowed to register for a course?
 
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To be fair, he was obviously sane when the NRA gave him the certificate, it was only when he started shooting kids he became mentally ill.
 
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tererun said:
Distraction crazy. So no one really is denying Adam was a member of the NRA except for the NRA. That is the part I find disturbing about the NRA. The NRA could have stepped up and confronted the idea that giving your obviously crazy kid a gun and training him how to shoot was a bad idea. instead they champion it as a discipline building activity that would help troubled young kids. I am not terribly shocked adam and his mother were members of the NRA, and I certainly do not buy the NRA doesn't have any record of him. I am sure they have burned any records they had of him, but I am under no delusion that he was not a member. Anyone can be a member of the NRA even those without guns.

I am not even bothered by the membership. All you need is an application to be a member. The NRA doesn't refuse money. I don't even expect them to. What I do think they should do is to represent the dangers of letting a clear psychotic play with a gun. Adam was not a functional psychotic who slipped through the system and snapped. he wass a kid with legitimate psychotic issues who could not function in society. This was not some guy with some unpopular opinions, this was a guy who was clearly nuts. He was kept in his house by his own fear of the world and his mother's knowledge he could not exist on his own because of his crazy. That family had enough money to set him up in his own place and let him live the life of a functional crazy. They did not because they knew he was a psycho.

The NRA could have encouraged some way to keep really insane people from having guns. They could have helped gun sellers to make responsible decisions about selling to obviously mentally ill people. The NRA could have told it's members that even though gun discipline may help out some individuals with discipline problems, it should not be attempted with clearly psychotic people. But instead they encouraged giving guns to crazies. they encouraged loopholes and loose selling procedures. They encourage people to introduce unstable people to firearms for the sake of helping them. That is what is disgusting about the NRA, not that they happened to take a membership application from someone they could not have known was a crazy nut because his mother was sheltering the world from that reality as best as she could. From everything that has been said about Adam he exibited uncontrolled noticeable crazy. Yet no one in the gun community, despite being creeped out, did a thing about a clearly crazy kid playing with guns. really, the NRA should be leading the cause for legal gun owners to point out criminal and unsafe gun use. When they don't it shows that anything they say about being concerned with safety becomes hot air.
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so many words-so much insanity. How was the NRA to know that this guy was a nut case. You anti gun advocates want to get rid of the NRA because you want to ban guns so you blame the NRA because someone MAY have paid 25 dollars and become a member. It would be like blaming the Democratic Party for John Wayne Gacey or the NAACP for all the blacks who commit murder.

Your silly rant is just that. A hate filled diatribe because you hate those who own guns
 
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Tigger said:
Based on what?.... the fact that Adam Lanza took a Basic Pistol course taught by an NRA instructor? I've taught that class myself. Are all of the people whose certificates I've signed to be expected to commit gun crimes? OR are you suggesting that the NRA should background check everyone before they're allowed to register for a course?
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good point-its like blaming the driving instructor who taught Larry Mahoney how to drive for the mass deaths here

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tererun said:
Distraction crazy. So no one really is denying Adam was a member of the NRA except for the NRA. That is the part I find disturbing about the NRA. The NRA could have stepped up and confronted the idea that giving your obviously crazy kid a gun and training him how to shoot was a bad idea. instead they champion it as a discipline building activity that would help troubled young kids. I am not terribly shocked adam and his mother were members of the NRA, and I certainly do not buy the NRA doesn't have any record of him. I am sure they have burned any records they had of him, but I am under no delusion that he was not a member. Anyone can be a member of the NRA even those without guns.

I am not even bothered by the membership. All you need is an application to be a member. The NRA doesn't refuse money. I don't even expect them to. What I do think they should do is to represent the dangers of letting a clear psychotic play with a gun. Adam was not a functional psychotic who slipped through the system and snapped. he wass a kid with legitimate psychotic issues who could not function in society. This was not some guy with some unpopular opinions, this was a guy who was clearly nuts. He was kept in his house by his own fear of the world and his mother's knowledge he could not exist on his own because of his crazy. That family had enough money to set him up in his own place and let him live the life of a functional crazy. They did not because they knew he was a psycho.

The NRA could have encouraged some way to keep really insane people from having guns. They could have helped gun sellers to make responsible decisions about selling to obviously mentally ill people. The NRA could have told it's members that even though gun discipline may help out some individuals with discipline problems, it should not be attempted with clearly psychotic people. But instead they encouraged giving guns to crazies. they encouraged loopholes and loose selling procedures. They encourage people to introduce unstable people to firearms for the sake of helping them. That is what is disgusting about the NRA, not that they happened to take a membership application from someone they could not have known was a crazy nut because his mother was sheltering the world from that reality as best as she could. From everything that has been said about Adam he exibited uncontrolled noticeable crazy. Yet no one in the gun community, despite being creeped out, did a thing about a clearly crazy kid playing with guns. really, the NRA should be leading the cause for legal gun owners to point out criminal and unsafe gun use. When they don't it shows that anything they say about being concerned with safety becomes hot air.
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The only way for the NRA to have known would be to invade the people's privacy. Is that REALLY the power you want for the NRA? I don't think so.

It's quite clear that the NRA is NOT to blame for this, the person doing the shooting is.
 
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Tererun, one does not need to be an NRA member to attend most NRA classes. The Basic Pistol classes I taught were open to anyone over 18 years old. It's an 8 hour class with generally less than half the class being range work. It's a basic safety and operation class, nothing more.
 
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Tigger said:
Based on what?.... the fact that Adam Lanza took a Basic Pistol course taught by an NRA instructor? I've taught that class myself. Are all of the people whose certificates I've signed to be expected to commit gun crimes? OR are you suggesting that the NRA should background check everyone before they're allowed to register for a course?
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I don't think the main issue is Lanza attended a cattle call course, but that the NRA denied any connection with him.

The school I worked for does backround checks on all students, many schools do. the students are recorded in a data base as well. The school offers to testify in court if any student has a shooting as to their training, scores and skills. I don't think NRA Instructors do the same.

I've always been leery of courses that accept students the day of a course. I personally have seen the NRA and the Appleseed Project do just that.

I love Manc's point- until he shot and murdered 20 kids he was considered sane, it isn't until AFTER he commits mass murder everyone agrees he is a freakin' nut.
 
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notquiteright said:
I love Manc's point- until he shot and murdered 20 kids he was considered sane, it isn't until AFTER he commits mass murder everyone agrees he is a freakin' nut.
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Which is why none of this knee-jerk push for current new laws is right.
 
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TheNextEra said:
The only way for the NRA to have known would be to invade the people's privacy. Is that REALLY the power you want for the NRA? I don't think so.

It's quite clear that the NRA is NOT to blame for this, the person doing the shooting is.
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Did I say the NRA should be invading the privacy of their prospective members? no, I did not. What I did say is that they should have been at the front of the issue regarding letting the clearly mentally unstable people like Adam anywhere near a gun. It is a safety issue. you don't point your gun at people unless you are planning on shooting them, and you don't let the crazy kid play with one. The NRA should be the leader in expressing basic safety. I don't really care if they want to take money from the crazies to further their cause, nor do I expect them to refuse it, or investigate their members. Your membership card to the NRA is not going to kill anyone, so I don't care if the looniest person has one.
 
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head of joaquin said:
NRA Certificate and



The sickness that is the NRA continues to be exposed.
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(Eye roll)...I don't think you or any left wing nut understands that you can purchase their material. That isn't a "relationship." That is consumerism.

I've had extensive pistol training, read NRA magazines, and generally been involved in gun culture. I've never hosed down an elementary school with .223 rifle fire. On that alone I think it is time you sit down and be quiet.
 
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notquiteright said:
I don't think the main issue is Lanza attended a cattle call course, but that the NRA denied any connection with him.

The school I worked for does backround checks on all students, many schools do. the students are recorded in a data base as well. The school offers to testify in court if any student has a shooting as to their training, scores and skills. I don't think NRA Instructors do the same.

I've always been leery of courses that accept students the day of a course. I personally have seen the NRA and the Appleseed Project do just that.

I love Manc's point- until he shot and murdered 20 kids he was considered sane, it isn't until AFTER he commits mass murder everyone agrees he is a freakin' nut.
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What do you expect the NRA to do? They were founded to increase marksmanship for the masses. Create a better federal army. It is a private organization. Do you plan to legislate how they should practice? Background checks for safety courses?
 
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tererun said:
Did I say the NRA should be invading the privacy of their prospective members? no, I did not. What I did say is that they should have been at the front of the issue regarding letting the clearly mentally unstable people like Adam anywhere near a gun. It is a safety issue. you don't point your gun at people unless you are planning on shooting them, and you don't let the crazy kid play with one. The NRA should be the leader in expressing basic safety. I don't really care if they want to take money from the crazies to further their cause, nor do I expect them to refuse it, or investigate their members. Your membership card to the NRA is not going to kill anyone, so I don't care if the looniest person has one.
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NRA instructors do not have the magical ability to look at a person applying for training and certify that he is insane. Possibly you're aware that it typically requires a psychiatrist many hours of analysis to determine whether a person is insane and/or dangerous.

The NRA has been at the forefront of safety issues... that's why they offer so much training. They offer the "Eddie Eagle" gun safety course to schools, to help children understand the dangers of playing with guns, and where it has been used it has been very successful... but many schools refuse the program because of prejudice against the NRA. :roll:
 
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tererun said:
Did I say the NRA should be invading the privacy of their prospective members? no, I did not. What I did say is that they should have been at the front of the issue regarding letting the clearly mentally unstable people like Adam anywhere near a gun. It is a safety issue. you don't point your gun at people unless you are planning on shooting them, and you don't let the crazy kid play with one. The NRA should be the leader in expressing basic safety. I don't really care if they want to take money from the crazies to further their cause, nor do I expect them to refuse it, or investigate their members. Your membership card to the NRA is not going to kill anyone, so I don't care if the looniest person has one.
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Well, they are in front of the issue, your ardent gun control supporters however are more focused on scary looking rifle and magazine bans. Wayne LaPierre has often stated that NRA fully supports incorporating mental health information into the background check process.

And as far as this, if Lanza spent more time with average NRA members, he probably would never have committed this act as the vast majority of NRA members are very safety conscious.
 
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