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Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

wolfie said:
Never had a straight couples kiddie knocking my door with no-where to go..freezing and starving...no!!
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And I've seen plenty. Never seen a gay couple's kid knocking at my door with no-where to go.

Your anectodal evidence is irrelevant... and most of what you say has no basis in reality. All the information out there proves that everything that you say is wrong. Your resistance to accepting that reality is your problem. If you don't like being corrected, constantly, educate yourself on this topic.
 
wolfie said:
I care for the innocent children who will be ''groomed'' to be gay..

Child abuse!!
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Since you have no evidence that this is what happens, your comments here are irrelevant.
 
wolfie said:
Of course gay people will have a lower percentage of child abuse than hetero's..there are less of them..

Love to find you some ratio's..but as soon as I type in ''Gay'' their propaganda takes over!!
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You don't seem to understand the mathematics of this, nor have you read any of the research. Currently, approximately 94% of the population is straight, and 6% of the population is gay. In two research studies done on this, <1% of those who molested children were gay. So, once again, and as usual, you are incorrect on this issue.
 
wolfie said:
Dittohead not! said:
Oh right...so if I just type in any old word and demand the ratio..you will be satisfied..

Nah mate..I am searching for a gay/hetero ratio..of paedophiles..

Of course hetero will be the majority..as homo's consist of 3% of our population..
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Right, and if 1% of that 97% are pedophiles, and 1% of the 3% are pedophiles, then the ratio is still the same. Of course, there are a lot more heterosexual pedophiles, as the numbers are greater.

But it demonstrates a lack of understanding of percentages to state that the percentage of homosexual pedophiles, or of anything else, is greater because they are a minority population. That was my original point.
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wolfie said:
What troubles me is that innocent children are being ''groomed'' to be gay..
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That's about as stupid as saying that innocent children will be groomed to be black. :roll:
 
wolfie said:
They know nothing EF..this child would knock my door at 7am..after being cast out of his home because his father had a ''boyfriend'' in..

His father had no idea where he was all day..hey I could have been the mad axeman..

He would totter round my house at 8-9 pm..to ask me if I had seen his son..
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Obviously, this trauma had nothing to do with the father being gay and everything to do with him being a crappy father. Think the same thing doesn't happen to kids of straight parents? Especially if we are talking about a single mother/father, unfortunately, it happens.
 
Cephus said:
That's about as stupid as saying that innocent children will be groomed to be black. :roll:
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Hey, I think you're on to something here!
Most black parents do, after all, have black children. They obviously groom them to be black.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Hey, I think you're on to something here!
Most black parents do, after all, have black children. They obviously groom them to be black.
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They can't groom them to be black, skin color, like sexual orientation, is genetic. No grooming possible.
 
wolfie said:
Hey..google Manchester gay parade..

I don't work for you!!
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Currently watchin' the vid and so far, I've seen nothing that I wouldn't see in any other parade, except maybe more colors. Maybe you are upset about the lack of women, or should I say young girls, high school and college age, in skimpy outfits twirling flags and dancing, like we watched in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade this past year.

Manchester Gay Pride 2012: Thousands march in annual parade | NowPublic News Coverage
 
wolfie said:
So..heterosexual men..take part in a gay parade..just so they can show their todgers to people..under the guise of being gay??

Yes I get it..I think...
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Why not? There are straight women that go to gay pride parades too.

And they don't have to pretend to be gay to be in the parade or show off what they got. It isn't like they ask beforehand "Wait a minute before you pull down your drawers so everyone sees your butt cheeks, we need to ask if you are gay".

And, omg, there are even straight men who are friends with gay men. :shock: The horror.
 
wolfie said:
Would that be because ''statistically'' more children are bought up by hetero parents...and have been conceived naturally..

The amount of children being bought up by a gay couple is very small..

Here's one..

Abuse of sanity: The truth about how a council allowed a paedophile gay couple to adopt | Mail Online
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one?

you should see the stats on kids abused by adoptive/foster hetero parents!

but never mind, previously on this thread I posted a link outlining risk factors for abuse in the home ...

there is a higher incidence of risk, based on these factors, for children who are born unplanned to hetero couples than for children who are planned/adopted by gay couples.
 
marywollstonecraft said:
one?

you should see the stats on kids abused by adoptive/foster hetero parents!

but never mind, previously on this thread I posted a link outlining risk factors for abuse in the home ...

there is a higher incidence of risk, based on these factors, for children who are born unplanned to hetero couples than for children who are planned/adopted by gay couples.
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Of course there is a higher risk with hetero couples...there are more of them!!
 
Somerville said:
Wrong! You are conflating total number of incidents with the probability of adverse incidents occurring.
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Gays are a minority..so obviously the number of incidents by heterosexuals will be higher..

1.5% of our population is gay..therefore the statistics will show a lower probability of abuse...
 
wolfie said:
Gays are a minority..so obviously the number of incidents by heterosexuals will be higher..

1.5% of our population is gay..therefore the statistics will show a lower probability of abuse...
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You really don't understand what is being said.


First, your "1.5% of our population is gay" is much lower than most estimates - that is not relevant in this thread.

IF you are looking at total instances of child abuse, combining gay and hetero families - YES, there will be fewer instances of abuse with gay parents. However, to make a relevant comparison, you must look at gay and hetero-led families as two separate categories. Only when you have two or mare categories can you make comparisons. We also must define "abuse". Most often, in a discussion of het vs. homo families, abuse is thought of as sexual in nature but abuse may also be of a physical nature; i.e., instances where a child is beaten and injured, or confined in ways endangering the child, or even in some cases starvation.

To be as fair as possible we must have at a minimum three categories: Straight families, families led by lesbians and those with gay male partners. For a full study, there could be even more categories including economic, education level and racial.

The most recent study I could find, reported ZERO instances of child abuse in lesbian families. Abuse has been reported in almost one-fourth of heterosexual families

There does not appear to be any easily available research on rate of abuse in families led by a gay male couple but other research looking at the children of gay and lesbian couples have found that such kids are at least as successful as those kids raised in a straight family of similar economic circumstances.

Why Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents | Gays, Lesbians & Same-Sex Marriage | Advantages of Gay Parenting & Gay Adoption | LiveScience

Overall, the rate of child abuse is dropping in all classes of families
 
Somerville said:
You really don't understand what is being said.


First, your "1.5% of our population is gay" is much lower than most estimates - that is not relevant in this thread.

IF you are looking at total instances of child abuse, combining gay and hetero families - YES, there will be fewer instances of abuse with gay parents. However, to make a relevant comparison, you must look at gay and hetero-led families as two separate categories. Only when you have two or mare categories can you make comparisons. We also must define "abuse". Most often, in a discussion of het vs. homo families, abuse is thought of as sexual in nature but abuse may also be of a physical nature; i.e., instances where a child is beaten and injured, or confined in ways endangering the child, or even in some cases starvation.

To be as fair as possible we must have at a minimum three categories: Straight families, families led by lesbians and those with gay male partners. For a full study, there could be even more categories including economic, education level and racial.

The most recent study I could find, reported ZERO instances of child abuse in lesbian families. Abuse has been reported in almost one-fourth of heterosexual families

There does not appear to be any easily available research on rate of abuse in families led by a gay male couple but other research looking at the children of gay and lesbian couples have found that such kids are at least as successful as those kids raised in a straight family of similar economic circumstances.

Why Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents | Gays, Lesbians & Same-Sex Marriage | Advantages of Gay Parenting & Gay Adoption | LiveScience

Overall, the rate of child abuse is dropping in all classes of families
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read this..

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=c...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
 
Somerville said:
And ... ? I have already looked at most of those links - OK, I admit I didn't bother with those links to various "Family" groups with known agendas and past histories of lying about lots of stuff.
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So everyone lies..except you!! ;)
 
wolfie said:
read this..

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=c...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
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Uhmm are we supposed to be looking at something like this?
What About Claims That Scientific Research Proves Gay Men Are Likely To Molest Children?
Some conservative groups have argued that scientific research strongly supports their claims that homosexuality and pedophilia are linked. The Family Research Council has produced what is perhaps the most extensive attempt to document this claim. It is an article by Timothy J. Dailey titled Homosexuality and Child Abuse.

With 76 footnotes, many of them referring to papers in scientific journals, it appears at first glance to be a thorough and scholarly discussion of the issue. On further examination, however, its central argument – that "the evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls" – doesn't hold up.


Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation
 
wolfie said:
Gays are a minority..so obviously the number of incidents by heterosexuals will be higher..

1.5% of our population is gay..therefore the statistics will show a lower probability of abuse...
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Aren't you the same one who confused absolute numbers and percentages on another thread?

The probability of rolling a 7 is the same, whether you roll the dice once or a million times.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Aren't you the same one who confused absolute numbers and percentages on another thread?

The probability of rolling a 7 is the same, whether you roll the dice once or a million times.
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No..I didn't confuse them..I was talking about same sex parents..not mathematical possibilities...
 
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