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Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

TheNextEra said:
I don't answer "what-if" questions because they are pointless.
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You can go round and round on almost anything and no "what-if" scenario can be proven true because no evidence can support it. Again they accomplish nothing. Iif you can't make you point without "what-if" you've lost.
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What-if questions are not pointless.
They can point out inconsistencies that may make a person wonder if they've chosen a position for the wrong reason.
And ... in this instance, it was posed as a what-if question to see if it would matter to you or anyone else when you found out it is true, at least statistically.
There may be reasons you wouldn't want to change a certain position even when you are shown that truth, but we need to get past this hurdle first.
 
bubbabgone said:
In this case, the winner is the one who can stay up the latest to make the last comment ... it can make for uncomfortable fights over the last glass of OJ in the mornin' ... but on the plus side loneliness is seldom a problem.

How're you doing, Pol?
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:funny: LOL! The day is young, but so far, so good. I've had my requisite quart of coffee, so life looks like it just might be worth it!

It's mild, but it's getting very windy here, so maybe something is moving in. The animals are skittish, too.

Getting ready to go out for lunch, but like Awnold said, "I'll be back!" Later. Be well.
 
Jack Hays said:
Good morning, Polgara.:2wave:
Perhaps Billy Idol was onto something.

Oh dancing with myself
Oh dancing with myself
Well there's nothing to lose
And there's nothing to prove
I'll be dancing with myself
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I don't like to get technical with a poster's spelling but didn't Billy spell that "myse-elf" with an extra "e" and a gratuitous "-" ?
 
bubbabgone said:
What-if questions are not pointless.
They can point out inconsistencies that may make a person wonder if they've chosen a position for the wrong reason.
And ... in this instance, it was posed as a what-if question to see if it would matter to you or anyone else when you found out it is true, at least statistically.
There may be reasons you wouldn't want to change a certain position even when you are shown that truth, but we need to get past this hurdle first.
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No they don't point out inconsistencies because what you claim as inconsistency cannot be proven true.

For instance, what if Al-Gore had won instead of Bush? Whatever you say cannot be proven true nor false. So What-if scenarios are in fact pointless because they cannot be proven true nor false. You can go round and round and still both people can think their right. Which is why I don't engage in what if scenarios.
 
TheNextEra said:
No they don't point out inconsistencies because what you claim as inconsistency cannot be proven true.

For instance, what if Al-Gore had won instead of Bush? Whatever you say cannot be proven true nor false. So What-if scenarios are in fact pointless because they cannot be proven true nor false. You can go round and round and still both people can think their right. Which is why I don't engage in what if scenarios.
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The original question posed (yes, perhaps regrettably) was what if you found out that etc.
That's a whole lot different than the question you posed about a big fat fraud getting elected.
The foundation for my question actually exists in the findings of some studies.
So if the findings are accepted the question can be answered.
True ... I could have said up front that statistical evidence exists ... but where's the fun in that?
Your question required speculation while mine asked for a reaction.
 
Jack Hays said:
Good morning, Polgara.:2wave:
Perhaps Billy Idol was onto something.

Oh dancing with myself
Oh dancing with myself
Well there's nothing to lose
And there's nothing to prove
I'll be dancing with myself
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Happy Sunday morning to you, Jack! :2wave:

I like Billy Idol, and I completely agree with him. His way means you get to enjoy your life, and nobody even knows or cares if you step on your own toes occasionally! Win-Win! :thumbs:
 
bubbabgone said:
I don't like to get technical with a poster's spelling but didn't Billy spell that "myse-elf" with an extra "e" and a gratuitous "-" ?
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I was looking for the deeper meaning, not trying to replicate the performance.:wink2::wink::wink2::wink::wink2:

Happy Sunday, bubba.
 
Jack Hays said:
I was looking for the deeper meaning, not trying to replicate the performance.:wink2::wink::wink2::wink::wink2:

Happy Sunday, bubba.
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Oooooooh, I reply with a sneer.
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What's up Jack.
Things are looking up.
Weather's finally getting warmer.
 
Bronson said:
Gays are going to force all heterosexuals to experience sodomy so they emotionally understand what it's like to be gay
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marywollstonecraft said:
so are heterosexual men who engage in anal sex with female partners trying to make their partners understand what it means to be a gay man .... or are they trying to understand what it means to be gay themselves?
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Are you people serious?
 
TurtleDude said:
what about straight couples who experiment-such as girls who take it "back door" or guys whose lady lovers use a dildo on them? wouldn't that allow you to achieve "knowledge" without you "joining the enemy"?
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They will hold instructional Sex Ed classes and name the course "What it feels like to be gay"
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Congratulations. This may be the most ignorant post in the history of this site. Please post any evidence that what you said has anything to do with reality.
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Obviously you're not a golfer
 
bubbabgone said:
Finally. Yes. That has to be the answer from the pro-SSM crowd but everyone else was dancing around it. Why do you think that is? Do you think they're actually conflicted? Or maybe they have just taken the position they think they're supposed to take?
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I'm not the one claiming it's bad. Being gay is no more a bad thing than being black or having blue eyes. If you think it's a bad thing, it rests on you to explain why, and here's a hint, I don't give a damn about what your ridiculous religious book says.
 
Cephus said:
I'm not the one claiming it's bad. Being gay is no more a bad thing than being black or having blue eyes. If you think it's a bad thing, it rests on you to explain why, and here's a hint, I don't give a damn about what your ridiculous religious book says.
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You're not tolerant of other people's views. Especially if they are religious.

We get it

This is a moral difference of opinion in regards to homosexuality that is never going to change. For the record, "being gay" isn't bad to Christians. Engaging in homosexual sex is a sin however. It is considered against Natural Order and God's Law. I understand that opinion hurts the feelings of liberals and homosexuals to the point of hatred, but we have the First Amendment and Freedom of Religion in this United States the last time I checked.
 
Bronson said:
You're not tolerant of other people's views. Especially if they are religious.
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No, I'm not tolerant of intolerable things, you're right. Nor should I be. Next.

This is a moral difference of opinion in regards to homosexuality that is never going to change. For the record, "being gay" isn't bad to Christians. Engaging in homosexual sex is a sin however. It is considered against Natural Order and God's Law. I understand that opinion hurts the feelings of liberals and homosexuals to the point of hatred, but we have the First Amendment and Freedom of Religion in this United States the last time I checked.
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And this is why religion is failing, why people are moving in droves away from organized religion, because it's seen as bigoted and immoral. It's what happens when you have unchangeable beliefs because you're delusional. Yes, you can speak out all you like, and I encourage you to, it just drives decent, rational people away from your ranks. So get out there with the Westboro Baptist Church and hold up your signs, it's the best advertisement for rejecting religion there is.
 
Cephus said:
No, I'm not tolerant of intolerable things, you're right. Nor should I be. Next.
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You are not tolerant of a moral opinion that is different than yours. Homosexual sex is considered a sin to people of religious faith. You are only showing your own intolerant Fascism by not respecting their beliefs



And this is why religion is failing, why people are moving in droves away from organized religion, because it's seen as bigoted and immoral. It's what happens when you have unchangeable beliefs because you're delusional. Yes, you can speak out all you like, and I encourage you to, it just drives decent, rational people away from your ranks. So get out there with the Westboro Baptist Church and hold up your signs, it's the best advertisement for rejecting religion there is.
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Religion isn't failing for the people that believe in God. Your concept of the moral and spiritual perception of those that are Christians is backwards.

Should it be made illegal to believe that homosexual sex is a sin?
 
Cephus said:
I'm not the one claiming it's bad.
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Being gay is no more a bad thing than being black or having blue eyes.
If you think it's a bad thing, it rests on you to explain why,
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and here's a hint,
I don't give a damn about what your ridiculous religious book says
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Man o man are you sounding defensive. Calm down. I agreed with you that that has to be the correct answer and commended you on your consistency.

I was asking you why you think the rest of the pro-SSM crowd here doesn't appear to have the courage or intellectual commitment to answer the way you did.

And oh yeah ... rather than a reply where you insist you don't much care why someone thinks what they think, how about taking a run at why they think it?

And btw there's no reason to take a slam at the Koran like that.
 
Bronson said:
You are not tolerant of a moral opinion that is different than yours. Homosexual sex is considered a sin to people of religious faith. You are only showing your own intolerant Fascism by not respecting their beliefs
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I'm tolerant of any moral position which can be rationally justified. Believing in things handed down from an imaginary friend in the sky is not rational. Funny how the religious who claim that homosexuality is a sin ignore the parts in their own book that say that eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics are a sin, or refuse to stone their own misbehaving children. Amazing what happens when you can pick and choose your own morality.

Religion isn't failing for the people that believe in God. Your concept of the moral and spiritual perception of those that are Christians is backwards.
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That's like saying that belief in Bigfoot isn't failing for people who believe in Bigfoot.

Should it be made illegal to believe that homosexual sex is a sin?
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Illegal? No. It is stupid, however.
 
bubbabgone said:
I was asking you why you think the rest of the pro-SSM crowd here doesn't appear to have the courage or intellectual commitment to answer the way you did.
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You'd have to ask them, wouldn't you?

And btw there's no reason to take a slam at the Koran like that.
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Why not? It's as idiotic as the Bible and every other religious text.
 
Bronson said:
Gays are going to force all heterosexuals to experience sodomy so they emotionally understand what it's like to be gay
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Why are you so fixated on sodomy?
 
Bronson said:
Do you think it should be against the law to believe that homosexual sex is a sin?
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What does that have to do with your fixation on sodomy. Hint: stop watching gay porn, it is not an accurate representation of the sex lives of gays.
 
Cephus said:
I'm tolerant of any moral position which can be rationally justified. Believing in things handed down from an imaginary friend in the sky is not rational. Funny how the religious who claim that homosexuality is a sin ignore the parts in their own book that say that eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics are a sin, or refuse to stone their own misbehaving children. Amazing what happens when you can pick and choose your own morality.
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You're sounding like a Fascist. Your morality is another man's sin. We have a First Amendment in the United States. Just because you're a Godless Atheist doesn't mean you have the right to censor thought and morality other than your own. Gays are demanding to change the definition of marriage since it's been known since the beginning of time. There are very real moral objections to this which is why it should left to the states to determine what they want their definitions of marriage to be.


That's like saying that belief in Bigfoot isn't failing for people who believe in Bigfoot.
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If you want to mock religious belief that's fine. Only shows your lack of respect and tolerance for views that are not your own. It's called Fascism.

Illegal? No. It is stupid, however.
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In your opinion stupid because you have a different morality than people of religious faith. Government is now intruding on morality and freedom of religious expression. You are intolerant of people who do not share your beliefs.
 
Redress said:
What does that have to do with your fixation on sodomy. Hint: stop watching gay porn, it is not an accurate representation of the sex lives of gays.
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Do you think the belief that homosexual sex is a sin should be banned?

Should priests be forced to marry gay couples?
 
Bronson said:
Do you think the belief that homosexual sex is a sin should be banned?

Should priests be forced to marry gay couples?
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Read the first amendment and then you decide. ;)
 
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