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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    So if only 40 out of 100 kids are harmed it's acceptable? Wow. With the bar set that low we could probably set up foster homes in the federal penn.
    If 60% of children raised by these groups are fine, then yes, that dicates that just because they are liberal, conservative, gay or straight that isn't the reason children turn bad.

    Care to show where even 40% of children are harmed by SSM and by what definition you are claiming "harmful"?

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    We can only judge by the results, and that takes time. Please note that I have not said what may not be good - only that we should focus on what is good for them comparatively and objectively. Given the relatively short time involved, I seriously doubt that a MAJORITY of anything can be determined yet. There are enough single sex couples raising children that we should be able to reach some conclusions eventually, but an assertion that it is thus or so is premature at this point. I suspect we're going to discover that rotten parents are rotten and good parents are good regardless of their sexual orientation - but that's just my suspicion.
    Gay parents just didn't come about 5 years ago. There's plenty of children that have been raised successfully by gay parents. What I find interesting is that many gay people were raised by conservative parents. Think there's a connection between being gay and conservative parents? That's how ridiculous these things can become.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Don't even know where you're going with that one. Do you actually have examples that don't drown themselves in rhetoric?
    You responded to me with rhetoric, remember?
    Maybe we should investigate if conservatism is bad for children as well. I mean, think of the children right? Gimme a break.
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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Im willing to bet the adoption fight will be an entirely new SCOTUS fight down the line.

    As for the current case my money is on punt. They will let states keep deciding and let it be.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    You responded to me with rhetoric, remember?


    what do you expect?

    LOL my rhetoric was to your rhetoric about investigating whether gay parents are harmful to children.

    then you responded with more rhetoric.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Gay parents just didn't come about 5 years ago. There's plenty of children that have been raised successfully by gay parents. What I find interesting is that many gay people were raised by conservative parents. Think there's a connection between being gay and conservative parents? That's how ridiculous these things can become.
    It has been less than twenty years since gays in any number have been raising children. That's not a significant amount of time. I'm willing to err on the side of compassion, but a larger base of data would offer more conclusive information. I don't give a damn about SSM one way or the other. They're adults I assume. The children have no say in this, though, and we owe it to them to base some decisions on what will be best for them. Objectively.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
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    There is quite a bit more than "five years of information" on the subject.
    Well let's have it.


    Scalia has not been reticent in making anti-gay statements in the past. As with many of his decisions, Scalia's vaunted 'originalist' judicial philosophy is rather flexible, he will wipe out past decisions of the Court if he doesn't agree with them, all the while ranting on and on about the importance of precedence in determining what the Founders intended.
    Scalia alluded to his own judicial philosophy in your link, whose actual headline was not the one you dreeamed up btw. So as long as you're changing headlines why didn't you change it to " My Constitution is a very flexible one," ... because Scalia actually SAID that.
    Hmmmmm?

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    It has been less than twenty years since gays in any number have been raising children.
    I'm sorry say that again? No, gays just haven't come out of the closet to the public less than 20 years ago. Gay parents have been reaising children for some time now. Hell, I have a grandmother who is gay and been with her partner for almost 60 years now. They raised 7 kids, all straight by the way successfully.

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    That's not a significant amount of time. I'm willing to err on the side of compassion, but a larger base of data would offer more conclusive information. I don't give a damn about SSM one way or the other. They're adults I assume. The children have no say in this, though, and we owe it to them to base some decisions on what will be best for them. Objectively.

    So then you wouldn't object to studies on whether conservatism is harmful for children either right?

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Im willing to bet the adoption fight will be an entirely new SCOTUS fight down the line.

    As for the current case my money is on punt. They will let states keep deciding and let it be.
    ... sounds right.

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    Re: Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    We can only judge by the results, and that takes time. Please note that I have not said what may not be good - only that we should focus on what is good for them comparatively and objectively. Given the relatively short time involved, I seriously doubt that a MAJORITY of anything can be determined yet. There are enough single sex couples raising children that we should be able to reach some conclusions eventually, but an assertion that it is thus or so is premature at this point. I suspect we're going to discover that rotten parents are rotten and good parents are good regardless of their sexual orientation - but that's just my suspicion.

    What's a "relatively short time" when talking about the success or failure of parents? The ASA and APA have been looking at (researching/studying) same sex parenting for more than 50 years. There's lots of stuff in academia that contradicts what most folks 'know' but those same folks don't read about such things until they become political footballs.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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